As a lot of our loyal fans are aware, for a long time we used to have another show called Poop Culture. When we folded the show to go fulltime with Dueling Decades, we left behind a lot of really great interviews! Well, since we're on a vacation week, we decided to release some of these old "fireside" chats with various guests. This episode was really a surprise to us because it occurred only 29 episodes into that show. That night, we were all prepared to have a special effects artist on the show, and we were all ready to rock. Two hours prior to showtime, we got a call from his agent that he had an emergency and had to back out of the show. That same agent said, "if you want, I could call Daniel Baldwin if you're interested". Well, the rest was history!
Daniel Baldwin is a fantastic talker and storyteller! Listen to Mancrush and former co-host Jay Biglove chat it up with Mr. Baldwin, you won't be disappointed. Danny talks to us about growing up Baldwin and being one of the famous Baldwin brothers. He talks about terrorizing his sister’s boyfriends and even sings us a tune that is shockingly impressive. Dan also discusses Celebrity Big Brother, reality TV, and we brainstorm our own celebrity beatdown challenge. We also get some behind the scenes info on Celebrity Rehab, John Carpenter, Homicide: Life on the streets. Last but not least, Dan talks about directing his award-winning movie “The Wisdom to Know the Difference”. And, did I mention that Daniel Baldwin is a fantastic storyteller? See for yourself!
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If they did it like that, instead of the way they do it, which is as long as you don't walk out the doors and quit and you don't do something to be thrown out, you get paid the exact same amount that you negotiated come on. There was something to be said. There was something to be said about each boat, its another twenty five grand or some crap like that yeah then you'd watch people willing to do things. You know I wasn't willing to sell myself down the river with a Janit D Genisstickinson and her antics, and really it didn't matter that much of me B'cause. I was already going to make my salary and keep my tag bi. Now, if they told me if I cut Janis stickand Shis head off y national telligon Fosi would, I would have cond her to pieces. Bu and people would have UNDERSTA said why you know righ. So when you watch Fara Abraham screaming and hollering ND, getting all that e energy away, and I would pull her aside and go imean. Why are you doing that? 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When I got out a one, you would have made it more interesting for me financially that it was worth my you know, accusing Auftin, an James Ar being gay and getting them all riled up, and I choose this one and that one yo w then that Wann't need sense to me I go, but otherwise I got to cook, keep my mouth Shet. I made four or five good friends. I mean James and I text t each other all the time. So he's he's a great guy, I'm glad that make sense wo them. I think that kid has such amazi movie star potential. If I don't know if you nowe that O act, but he's got to look she's a good kid, I'm happy for Himathe Wano part of the question. I was going to ask you. You know: What's the big difference from the Celebrity House, the regular house in one of the similarities that you just said and judg aid, the same thing is a lot of things that happened in the house got cut out and the American version for him as well. 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So if you're going to put me up against somebody like Jani Stickenson and I look at her and I think Gosh, I remember that that amazingly beautiful model back in the seventies and what you look like now, I look at the shell of what he is and you know all the surgeries and how just ridiculous what a cartoon character it is, and I think do I really need to assassinate Thi Kit. I remember when I was h m the host of I'm a celebrity, get me out of her. We were sitting in like stadium CD, so they were KINDOF. You know, Um various heights, tefeats ther were like benches, like Lik in in a football game, and she was sitting in front of me and the host said to me e said Daniel. You know it was well documented, you're, difficultty Yu and your byther Stevens that you had with Jani Stickinson as you sit behind Yor right now and you're onlive TV tell us what do you think? What comes to your mind, T and I said JFK and then I went back Anto the left yea. So so so I mean to say: Do you like to? 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It was hol to me the billorights by the producers to the show and Evr that it was Goinna. I thought it would be quite compelling to see someody talk about some of those things that led them to their addiction and then the process of trying to help someone. I thought that would actually be really cool, Tee da Yoa reality T v. We all looked at it as people that have been on and you know and been around the business like yourselfs for many years. I looked at it at first and I thought well. This was never going to last well, we were all wrong. It's it's none around. This is this: It's the doval trump of television, nooe soom is going to go as far as it as and here it is it's cheap to produ seem to produce a sheet to me. You know, and and and sitting there watching other trains wrecking can be quite compelling some time o time. So you know it's found it's niche and people are watching it still, N and sadly, because that quality television isn't really being produced anymore, because it would be far more expensive and it's more complicated to do and that's what America is you know America is, that is, is a giant Vegas roller coaster, you know. So it's it's fun. Well, since we're talking about fiction, let's move to a fiction movie that you were in. You played with Longside Jeanes Woods and the movie Vampires Yea, which is a movie that I love John Carpenter's, probably my favorite hard director of all time amuse me diconic movies. As I'm talking right now, I have escaped from New York. I have like three of his posers righting from yeah. What was it like? Working with John Carpenter, I mean it was that an amazing thing was a really tough. How was T it now John and I and his wife Standy along Saas Um? He we really liked each other. I really respect John He's. 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I look down at it and says: Nine Nineteen. So now we all know we're looking for nine nineteen and he steps his fingers a couple of times on to the table and he watkh out and e goes, and you see that annoying time. That says: Nine, Oh one to nine Twe, O nine eighteen, I know t and you got and goes and and you look and you make the left towards and O go by nine. Oh One, an you go and es walking this ting at the entire time. I more intense onnine, N, four nine, ten, nine seventy Waner Yor and you know: We've been chasing the KYOF, the entire moven and is right on the other side of the store and you reach down an e start to turn him and the guy's. Not there t I labs the table stis and everyone in the farm s, the girls were screaming, they were screaming because he got ru and he's not there, and then he slams the table and he looks up t and he goes. You See. You think that the reason why I'm tangous is because I make you go, he said, that's not why he said the reason why I'm good at what I do is 'cause. I keep you on the edge of your sucking feet is Wi, which is what sets the eye up and he got up and walked own man, and I looked over him and I thought you know what yeasked fact. What makes hem great is that you're you're sitting there. You know it's coming you just a bucking horrible, but are you compelled and on the edge of your scene and nervous and WCASS? You know? What's Gon and the answer is yes, that's what makes them John Carpenter. That's why why they've been he's been dubbed the Master of horror for reason, ESA Master Demas? I wish that you would have another afflict that would come out. It would be there'd, be big. It's been a little bit but h, that's cool, scool twork! You know, you never know Johnny. I think he you know he does. He does people don't realize. Hehe writes all O Uen. He us kee plays almost all the time music, a EA. He, Oh, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. Do you mentioned homicide a couple of times and I was a fan of Hams. I was. I was in high school when homicide was out, so it was a cool show. I liked it. You know you played the tough guy, you know detective Seltan and you were on for three seasons and then you get into that shoot out. You know you and your partners get shot. You come back and then the next season rolls they was season for you're, not there and then season five. They decide to kill you off when you're, not there. Ol. Here's heres what happen so when you sign a t V deal it used to be back, then you signed to find your deal and if the show I is is qualifies for Syndication. If you go into your fourth year, so you have to make a certain amount of shells in order to to weep to Um, to reach the requirement of indication, and so when you make that five, your deal, it's it's not in it's not written in stone, but it's pretty well understood in Hollywood than if they pick you up for season. For as a courtesy, the network and the fend, the produce of the show, come to you privately and say: okay, we like to renegotiate your contracts and we now have qualified, because, with Homicide d, The deal with Barry a a D and and the powers that be on the sholas were not paying particularly me and that baby we were the ones that had worked the most in television and had you know, Realy High quotes, although Andre Brower is a great actor and Melisalio, and you know Kil Secor and all these ciffen people, none of them had a TV quote, they hadn't done moking. The TV series like I did at the time, nor were they really that namous and I already was known and an ad anknown family, and so on. So I took a big PAG cut to do the show- and I said, that's okay, I believe in the show- I think it's a great show. So we do season one and then we get picked up for season too, and then we finish season. Three and Tom Fontana flies up to h Toronto, where I'm doing a movie n and I'm directing the film- and he says t me I just wanted to come to and tell you we're not going to offer anyone any more money, even though we've been picked up for season for and said well. Why is that I said so you and Barry and the other people are going to make more money your qualified for syndication, you own, the show I don't know on any peace show. I said it's funny because every time it's time to sell the show and fly somebody out Tor the east coast, to do let him in and do the morning America and go back to California and do the tonight show Bu you don't ask Perhour, you don't ask Gaundre, you don't ask or you don't ask Cil 'cause. They can't get on that show, but I can so you lean on me to do the publicity for the show and and use me as your horse, but at the same time you're not going to pay me anymore money and believe me what I say I took a dramatic Pik. I said Thank Kill my character and write me off the show and they and they looke to me, and I I think they expected. I was just going to be happy with the fact that I was on this award winning show, which I was happy for that to be on that show for three seasons, but I wasn't willing to get beat up anymore, financially, 'cause, it's eight months, I baltomorow and it doesn't allow me to do any other shows and e felt that Pontana and those guys were very selfish in that assistent, and so he left it open. For me, you know if you want to come back, you can come back. I think there was a lot of Um mental and D and Games and stuff that went on between Tom Fontana, particularly you kno. I Tom didn't really care for me very much and Um an, and you know he he proved Gat in a lot of his writings and things that he would do. There was a a time when Alec was supposed to do the show and he asked me: Do you think alic would do it, and so I I went to Alic and I asked me he said Yeah. I would love to do your show, so they write the episode and they send it to Alacan they and they give it to me and the episode is alip playing chess most of the time with with Euntre brower and so Oloquen is your characters. Name Pembleton and I said no, it's something his. Why didt Ho write this whole episode for me and and Tebleton Tis? I don't need a job. You know as a gestor on a t V show you said I I I I'd be doing the show, because I wanted to work with my brother and play, and so I said of course I said Tom. Why would you not make my character, the poubletan character, an this an had alec and I work together. Jess no e'e not doing Tisthe upsode in rot, so ill, say: Okay! Well, no, I don't want to do the choldren. So three episodes later Richard Billser's character, munch in a scene with me, leans over to to a med baby, go yeah. It's like the movie, the Renao, the movie, the get it did. You ever see that and that baby goes no. I never saw it and Dolser Gos yeah. Nobody did and he throws he throws it dig at my brother and of course I read that and I walked into this office an e really now y you're gont. You can take shots at my brother through a script of a show. Imon, I'm like what's fucking wrong with you Ma'n? No, why would you ever do something? But but that was kind of the kind of stuff he did. You know he he he. He obviously was the boss and he had you know the ability to to make people sit instatable and when they didn't sit and fetch and told them to fuck off. Like I did't Y, you end up afl the show an that's okay. I lived to see ou another day, lwas on callcase for multiple years, and you know I did ther stuff toring an and really sad thing about about that relationship than he had with a couple of actrors and sh NOWs. We all would sit around and say God s such good Ra. He really is a good writer. He makes compelling interesting television. I would work wir Tim again. I just isjust a day I jus stay in the HOCE. I would stay in my ote, Iwou, say: M. It's crazy! 'CAUSE, like you know, all these years go by and like Yo know. Obviously, unless you told that story before like how hell would somebody know, 'cause Itwas, just so weird how it all happened, how I, as just like all right now, he's gone and th n we're going to take this regular character and kill hem off years later it was fucking stupid and I never got it yeah. I think I think they left h. They left some stuff. An I had some crazy shit happened to me on that show too y an nreal life. There was a. There was a lot of Um it was. It was such a. We would sit there and we would wait for the episode, Youn and Y. They give it to us. It was you know, 'cause. I it was really so well written. We really were spoiled to be on a show Whit's written as well as not you know, Yash and some of those guys that wroke those episodes and Tom included- you know they just wrote- touch interesting cool stuff. It was really a fun show. You know, I remember how many people are up in the production of was waiting for the SCRIP to come out. You know w woud rel get we were, we were pretty uh. We were pretty high on that Temasa, and that was the time too. You know like in the late Twenties Early Thirties, where your test ostern is jus flying really high, and you know you you think you can. You can beat the world and M, but I like I, like the O. I like the experience to doing homeset, but I wouldn't have done anything different when somebody turns around and h. You know you lookin the well and if you've had an opportunity you to drink from the whill, it becomes your responsibility to replenish the wil so that other people after you can also take a sip. But if you're going to stick your mub and left and right and just keep drinking wild an people around herrationing, that's a little shit. I agree. That's not the way to be. That's, that's not the way to be the leader, man, that's not a leader, you know, that's a bleeder, there's a big difference! Well, we'll we'll take it from there into your own form of directing and writing the wisdom to know the difference. No, I know it was on the film's fetival circuit for a while. How do you put yourself as a director like you've worked with all these people over the years o you worked with L Ke, you worked with John Carpenter. Do you take a little piece of each one of these Po Yeah Yeah ther're GT, there's great lessons to be learned by all the exercise wor to Oliver Stone and Barry Levinson and John Carpenter and stepen freers, and I worked to some pretty big directors, Michael Man Um. You know so so yeah. I I take um little elements of different things that I learn from then you know from Um the there's different sciences in different ways of doing things. You know John Taugh Me Wel, the Grackins he taught me was with the camera, and that was John Woodwoll, two cameras side by side, one closer than the other and simultaneously rell multiple cameras, because he didn't want to tax his actors plus remember Johns. Coming from that more old school. Where you know you didn't write, Andi stuff, he would have the the the really great S. special effects of people lay the hoses, you know with blood in your neck and then put the stuff over it and paintit perfect, so that there was a guy behind the feet in the in th in the in the Gep when she bites my neck and he just squeeze those lotters and shop. The blight out of my neck, and now that takes hours and hours nd six seven hours of sitting in a chair and having those those craftsmen and D and Masters do their work and you get one shot at that: you're, not shooting that stuff. All the Rann Wa oup again and Havin. He you Gotto, get it right. You know so John showed me, particularly in the acting too Um. You know the advantages of having multiple cameras is what I always take from John Um, and- and so you know, I remember with Levinson Y. U we all really wanted to impress Barry, I mean he had made so many iconic films and and Um, and he directed the first episode of homicide and in the first day the first shoot that we did was entre brow and I are walking through on this parking structure, and you know they have all these white cavaliers, dtectives N in Baltimore drive and e Andraes left the keys upstairs and he had to en back up and get them and couldn't remember where he parked the car and so we're we're doing we're walking from card a car using the cheese. I did not Tsi, you know, ting to open it and so and so we're walking and the analogy in the in the dialogue is it's it's it's a racist istue. So he saying things to MOU: That's the way you are man, you think they'e all the same, don't you and I'm looking going wher. They. They all do look the same. Don't they and you and we're doing this thing where it's heating up more and more between USBECAUSE. He knows that I'm a Baltimore Red Neck and I'm a bit of racist and he's trying to poke at me and I'm trying to fuel it with him and so we're doing the sceme we're doing the scene and barry turned around and you know and we're young D were young and we're hard. You know wwe're looking to try to one up each other and the eyes marry eleven son Aboe A and B. She goes okay guys. Well, what would you want to do different and so ante said? Well, you know I mean I could get a little bit more in his space and a d be more. He goes hegoes that would be different. He said Daniel a he looke, a Mister Bell, I'm a little bit bigger than Andre Sad. You know. So I don't know. I would look to you know stupid of me to try O get up in his face and- and you know, and were going back and forth aand after it literally when the whole crew was standing around for five minutes onset. That's a long time and we're having this discussion for five minutes, O finy ent, Hey Barry. What if I just threw the whole thing away like it was a joke. What, if I just pretended it didn't matter me at all, I just KINDOF said the words nonsalently and let him get upsetand went great idea to try that he and he clicked his fingers and ponted at me and he walked away, and I did this kind of more w you. I remember the last line. The scene was with the way you Dresse, we even the you're black. You know, which was which was insinulting that because he dresseds so well he's wee just too well to be in African America, and it was supposed to be a stinging line. E threw it away now. I know, and I knew when I walked off that set that's exactly what he had in his mind, cminin. He said what else, but he knew a secret and the secret was. You can leave him water, but you can't make him drink and he knew that if he had motivated us to find that in the creater process with him that we would have portrayed and better onscreen than him just telling us just throw it away. So he brought us in and he allowed us to find it with him so that it mattered to us too, and that was a great lesson as a director for me that I don't just tell actors what to do. I suggest things are sceared them in the direction so that they go hey what I in I o. that's a great idea o try that and they realize that, because they were involved in it, they weren't just being told to do something. They have to be motivated to Wan, to do it, and that was a great lesson that I took o Eponon so yeah. I I when I made the wizom to know the difference. Um I made the movie because I promised myself after a certain situation of my sobriety had happened to me. I said one day: I'm going to tell that story for sure you know. I promised Myself Thi Gy Bob. It was the first guy. I don't know if you're familiar with the twelve steps, um alcohol', enonymous or any of the T programs, but I'm I was about to do my first system. We I'm going to admit to God andto another human being the nature of all my wrongs and go through the laundry list of crap that I've done in my life and and and this guy he said to me he goes. You know, I'm sure that you have and lots of stuff. You know in you're past and lots of things that you're not proud of he said, and so do I he goes, and so I want you to. I want Yo ee Gonto, leave it here today and we're going to go through that list and we're going to make those odmissions so that you never have to keep any of these dogs fecrets again. That would lead you to potentially relapsing on on drugs again, so I sa Great, and so he said, let me tell you a little story about myself aid. I grew up in the yard in a trailer park in Chino. In California, my mother was a prostitute and I had one brother, my mother, you know she was a very, very bad. I using heroin anecs and often she would turn around and she would say no come on in the house bobby. I have to have to go to work. You know she was about to go hit, some truck, stop and and- and you know, go down on some guy in a truck for twenty bucks- is in the y sixties. Aceve year older than I was, and so he told her. She told him hother get in the bathtub and get your put. Your clothes, get your clothes ready and we're going to take a bath, and I goin to drovp me off next door at uncle phils ou kno cause Phil's going to watch Yom and Uncle Phil was the neighborhood trailer owner, who was a really really bad alcoholic and all she had to do wit. The mother was when she was done. She Po Litset, the U contract, whatever was and dropped it off in up the fiddles and the ND and the kid wuld stay there. So he's in the backtup he's seven years old, she's latering not getting ready to take them mov in uncle pills, and she comes in and says to O boby. Let's go and she says MMI, I really don't want to go to uncles hils. I don't want to go there anymore and she said Bob. You have to go to uncle fil. Let's go get out of the cub and get your clothes on you. Don't up a bills momy after you work, Mommy Tlase don make o good uncle fills anymore. I don't want to go there. Why? Don't you want to go to uncle thils 'cause uncle spill makes me play Gom, and in that moment the mother realized that her seven year old sons being raped by the next door, alcoholic that hed Ben feediuntail for years. So she looked at the little boy and she said you stay in that Basktub Robert and you don't move until momy gets back. Do you understand he nodded this head? And I remember him saying you know my mom called me Robin. I knew I was the shit was about Toan. She never called me Robir. So I sat in that I sat and that Ti and I stad it for about forty five minutes e. It was a long time ciuse the water was getting called and I was getting kindof called D. I I heard the door open up and my mother's hiels cloking down the middle of that Astra and she came in the leaned, her head of the curtain- and I looked at my mother and she's just taring at me, and I can see that there was a little bit of blood in her face and blood in the front of a dress and because I was sitting down in the bathtub, I could see underneath her dress in e low angler tiing and there was blood tripping profusely from behind her dress, and I thought what happened to my mom. Why is she pleading and she stepped past the curtains and lobbed two objects on my lap? They were uncle Phil's arms. She had hacked e, All wit, an apple on he shoulder down and threw them and GE on my lap. She threw them on my lap and she said: Don't worry bobby he'll, never suckin toucy wit Gow and she walked out of the ROM. And now she tells me if she goes so anyway. Fi feel blood to death, because my mother tacked his arms UPF and she did the rest of her lecting. For that, I'm trying to make is we're going to leave all those secrets behind us. He went right aft into his pitch of telling me about being OA. I thought she has his flucking Armclot with an ax, an threw them on the kid's lap in a bathtop which was seven years old yeah I a I O and I had tough childhood, and so I got in my car from after doing my Sisfstep, and I said one day, I'm putting that in a movie. I'm definitely going to tell that story and I did a story and I wrote it and no one wanted to make it for me, because it was a better, a guy who kidnapped young, Latin and Latina Onheroen Attic and took them up to big bar to were cabining on Rom Silver and they knew this guy and I wrote the script. It was a true kind, O semitrue story, and no one would give me the money, and I said, look I you know I can make the whole movie for, like you know, fifty seventy grand or whatever, and then we'll put some money in postme. Let me show you what I can do on this film for a very short amount of money, and still no one would would give me the money. So I raised the money privately with some other people. I shot the movie for just under sixty grand and then I dumped another hundred in the post. It was in twelve filme festivals at one best picture, anainst, multimillion dollar films. Eleven Times I on Bespiture, eleven o twelve ses. It's a really cool little indy. Look at this. This dis adventure with this girl up to her cabin and and him getting her sober and h. You know it. It's worn a lot of award and that's all great Bah Blah Blah va, but I'll tell you one thing that I probably will, but I I'd love to do this again, but I know the chances of my joing dinner, pretty Werl 'cause, I 's the first time I ever did it as a result of making a film I've ended up saving human beings, lives and I've had people watch the film and GOINGTO recovery. I've had people an recover, stayin recovery as a result O seeing the film I've had the film motivate family and members to put family members into treatment. A D and also the the sober recovery center in San Antonio Texas was built as a result of making the film. So I'm very proud of the fact that in in in a direct and indirect way, the making of a movie has US attributed to the saving of human beings, lives 'cause. You can win all the awards you want, but I can't imagine an can be bigger than that number. One that story was fucking, shocking and amazing at the same time, but I'm extremely happy for you. I think the whole movie sounds awesome. I definitely have to see it, but your continued sopriety since you know you're. I think it was your tenth stint and that's what you're talking about with H with the sober recovery center, and I think that was your last and but one of the things you're quoted os saying and you KINDOF just send it right there. You know: There's millions F, Americans Hou suffer from addiction, and if you just reached one person with the film, it would be the biggest reward ever and it sounds like it. It definitely is, and it's an amazing quote, and it shows you really care about the cause, and it reminds me when I read it reminds me a lot of my friend John Preston TDID. I I served within the Marines John's a musician and everything this guy does is to raise awareness about PTSD and it's all about vets and need help, and, coincidentally and KINDOF, sadly, a lot of those guys that Havpptsd they they turn to drugs. Ow call the kind of Dolipane so ow I kinda. I really want to see the movie. It sounds like you put your heart into it, yeah. You know for a little sixty thousand drivin job. I'm one of my servovite stories about the movie was. I got my brother Billy to agree to play. You know my brother in the film he's got just a couple of seeds, so I tell Hem wee're coming up on the time we we're going to shoot the movie bill and to when he go so yeah when is than again and I cell him again and he goes yeah N. I don't think I can do thet, I'm I'm getting off this one film in Toronto and I have like four days off. I goes and then I go reght Antn, I'm like well, no, you can't say now you're not doing it Igo, because you've already said you would do it and you have to fly for at least one day to Texus and do the movie, and so he then turned around and said Yeah. I'm sorry! I just if you can figure out a way to shoot me in California. I might be so to move my whole production, get ready to bring all my camera people and everything and fly people to California to shoot billy as grass and not sho to Oti NATOIA. I get that all ready and billy goes yeah. I still think I need a few days off Bro. I'm sorry can't you just get somebody else, so OL WOUL! I do. I pulled the torpedo, Stil loter and I said to my mother: I go. I got people to put up this money to do this movie and Billy said he would do it now he's backing out. She Bey goes okay, Honeyo, CA, right back and so sh. He gets off the phone e two minutes go by my phone, Grin Lok down it's billy and I anser he wos in mom eas. You cal, aarm and told mom bat I said Di. I go. Did you say you were going to do my movie back out? He goes you're an ASS or whatitwas. I pulled the mom bomb on the man I hade nor choice. When can we see this movie, I can get you a copy n, the movie you want to see at it's now with a distributor. You know, there's so much legal crap that they do. I mean it's. It's amazing that H, you know they. They um the contracts that- and this is a part of bout, the business that I hire s all a hiterm to take care of, but I think it uh, I think, it'll be out on DVD and Net flicts and all that stuff. Before Christmas, it's coming out right. Well, you know, I can say e Diamond Phillips. I can say Billy Ballan E dn, tebo O, but I don't have the one Brad Pad or the guy that makes you runs. You know supposedly to the box office and go see it or even to the DVD store and they put hem on a certain shelf or whatever. So it's a little indie, that's a really dark cool movie, but Lake Yoma tink about it. When, if I had five million dollars to make it, you know, I could sit there and shoot giant, crane, shots and helicopters and Allsoof Shit. You Know Na Yo know better than it is, but it's it's a cool story. You you feel compelled that you're on this adventure with this girl was trying to kick haroing and, and you know, and she's a prostitute and she's being stalked by her. Her P boyfriend- and you know- and I think you get into the story so it's hard to compete with films. Now that was the thing from Oliver Stone that I tok you know all Ofer would throw so much money and Somthn ecause. We had that kind of muscle. When I worked with him, I'm boarn in the fourth of July. You know. So if they wanted to bring in you know, two have sixteens to shoot a rocket and blow up a tank. They bought an old SANC and they bought in F sixteens and blew it up. You know when you have that kind of money. You know, and San and and you're not going CGI kind of stuff, and you want to have you know. Twenty thousand soldiers go to Thailand to get twenty thousand soldiers dressed up in the MERIPHAN. SOAND shoot them from a distance. A lot O runng around and steee each other, it looks really cool. You know to me: It's amazing, you could even h you can even make a movie for basically the price of the Cadillac Yeah. You Ca, you can and not only that you can make a compelling film. You know for that money ar a lot of people going to see there wosdom on e difference, probably not, but that's who e're playing the Festaeok it comes in. So if you mate a decent enough film and it wins some awards when they put those laurels on the thing and you're looking fough scanning O, oh, what's the as O othe difference now anybody that goes to a twelve step meeting nose that that's. The third stands up. What's known as the Serenddin prayer, God grant me this rendermy to accept the things. I cannot change the courage, tha change, the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. So if you're one of the twenty five million people that are in AA and that that that title catches you you might then go in and look and when you see what in the description, you know what what's what it's about, you might be somebody who wants to watch that Sil 'cause it's going to reach you and and there's stuffin there and dialoguing there that you exclusively as a member of AA or or any of the ADA ending. You know, societies and groups, you'll know what this films about and you'll appreciate. It won in some Ra and that's your targets, so there's a definite t, there's a definite target audience for sure, but but again had it gone to theaters and I had bigger names in it. If I got ten billion up to twenty five million bignitted members o day a to go to, I that's a ninety million dollar film. That's that's a pretty good to so o, so maybe for the sequel, yeah it. It's definitely set up for multiple stories, O it was quite draining. I learned some valuable lessons doing. The film was quite draining to Um to to wear that many Hass to be the actor the director and the producer. I I don't t I'll ever um I'll lact in a film that I direct but I'll, take a smaller rol. It's it it's too much to do at once and I hated producing. I couldn't stand O I'll, never preters, another Silm Wldo. You have anything else coming up in the pipelines to speak. I know you have some new stuff to actin in. I am I'm about to shoot a couple of things M. I'm going to Um, there's two things, one I'm doing with with rob and my wife WTO do a cooking, show, Um and and the reason. Why is because of the way we cook and and the things we do together we go the same day. We live in Axard, which is in the Um, the farm belt of southern California. So we have hundreds and thousands of acres of of organic flarms all around our home, so we'll go to one of the farm stands and literally Piecebi Pece pickout, that you tomatoes pick out the cabbage Li out whatever and we also live on the water. So we fish quite a bit so um I it's it's actually a really great way. I came up with the idea of doing it. While I was playing golf with a friend and and my wife and I played golf, the other two and I said: Hey well, we come out next time. W should bring the girls. He was more of the old school e. wasn't your wife to come, pat of- and I said, actually you know what it's really fun. We sit in the car together and we laugh and we talk and we go through our gay and pass Tuch good relationship with there, because I learn the Hardwan andalt relationships. I communication is everything, and so when we, when we do o when we cook together, we cook everything fresh that day and we sit there and then at the end of the gay, we're done with the meal and we shut out by the water outside with a couple of cans me have a beautiful meal together, Tha we both prepared and spent. You know four hours making together. So I thought what a great idea to invite another couple over for dinand do a couple's cooking, show nice, so Wi, wwe're, werring preproduction is getting that set up now and I think I'm going to do. I've got a little pilot about M, a sober living house and some of the crazy antics that go on the so bloming Os. I'm going to shoot a test on that next month and- and I might traw my hat in the ring of doing it- Talk U you're natural for it. I might I'm going to host my own talk show, I think, we're we have a small um production studio here in in Axonar that I'm affiliawith called Malebu films, that's owned by Greg Handley, the guy who owns silder rigt, all sobe recover, somes, yeah, so grag has put together some really nice equipment in the studio with Robert Fervuson, who owns diet, free life and I'm thinking in the off hours in the evening. I might do a little celebrity. You know, based talk, show and and host that I m M tinking about doing I'm getting old man. I can't keep flying around doing movies for sixtee. If I kick it off and I get ia Gon I'll be sure to come on your show, O absoluyeah that'd be great wellhey thanks a lot for for coming on t tat as great take it easy manatual happen, guys coly