It's time for a retro rewind! On this weeks installment, we take a look inside the wild world of Cannon Films for our first ANNUAL special! To help break down all their top picks, Mancrush and Marc James brought in a couple friends to talk Cannon!
It's time for a retro rewind! On this weeks installment, we take a look inside the wild world of Cannon Films for our first ANNUAL special! To help break down all their top picks, Mancrush and Marc James brought in a couple friends to talk Cannon!
We go Over The Top and break down all the madness and mayhem that Menahen Golan and his cousin Yoram Globus bestowed upon the silver screen. Find out why they were an improbable match with American Cinema. The crew go around and draft their top flicks from The Cannon Group. How many have you seen? What are some of your favs? We hear about Ninjas, Break Dancers, Explosions, Boobs, Terrorists, more Explosions, Chainsaws, Plenty of Groin Stretching, a few more Ninjas, Arm Wrestling more Boobs, Bad parenting skills and a lot of salt thrown in people's eyes! Listen as the crew give expert analysis on the “stretching” scene from Kickboxer or was it Bloodsport!? With special guest commentary from Last American Virgin's own Diane Franklin, and Shabba Doo from Breakin! Either way you don't want to miss this high octane adrenaline rush brought to you this week by Blue Chew! Use code DECADES for a discount!
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Why am I I'm not the money guy? I want not the fucking money guy either we need. We need a money, Guiy, that's what we need that ship is sailed. I guess all right fin ot for this one. You know what I will be Globis, because I'm still alive Wel, you GOCA', ask bother Fugo, it doesn't really matter gose you both look great in blue sweatsuits yeahbefore. We get into it. Let's we brought these two on here, brandond. Of course, their show ret on you just came on the PCU just a couple of weeks back and basement condition. He actually does both shows, but they cover movies a little bit newer, ninetyes two, thousands! You probably go all over the place right, yeah we go all over the place. Mike is a little bit more retro, so they do a little bit more throwback stuff, a little bit more off the wall. You do a little bit more mainstream, so it's two different things, but your perfect fits to do this whole show about this company that we grew up on that we loved and, of course, if you haven't guessed it from the people that are on her, it's about the cannon group or Golan and Globus. We grew up on these fins. So this is, I'm really excited about this upt yea. This is a topic I've been wanting to tackle on this show for a very long time. I'm glad that we're finally able to do it, and I think we got the right guys here to do it with tonight. That's kind of weird we don't have the right guy to do it with has to record with that. Does sound like a cannon thing, though, if you're not familiar with with cannon we're going to go over these in a showdown style, we're going to pick out some of our favorites going through it, but just briefly looking at cannon, it was what would you say: Action as a whole, but explosions tits, Canpe, ass, Canpe, clean clothes, lotin clothes, tthrests, cleanactclothes that they they had to return at the end of the day, rushly painted their walls and sets everything was in precine condition. IIT's amazing, we gotto start a little bit from the beginning, though, would give a little bit of backdrap on cannon for those that don't know. So these guys were the Israeli film. SCE, not just like guys from the Israeli films n. These two were the top of the Israeli film scene and left came over to the United States. They bought cannon, which was a company that was going bankrupt. It was around in the late seventies, nineteen, seventy, nine or so, and they bought it for twenty cents on the share. So they got it for a steel. I think they paid like half a million bucks out of the gate. I don't I don't want to give any of the movies just yet 'cause. I know we'll hit on them, but going through this I never realized. There were so many Ostar nominations for cannon. Yeah, amazing and I know nobodyell pick those movies most likely now will wait, wet'l see if anybody picks us that's what always attracted me to cannon into Goldand and Globus. was they had such a reckless abandoned style to film making much like what we do on this show? Sometimes you know, let's just throw an idea out. If it sticks it sticks, you know Craz or not. It was you know my favorite thing, maybe I'm just a simple person, but the movies were simple. Yes, he Wu AV. Had you had a good guy, you had a bad guy, then you throw in the action explosion, boobs more explosions, more action, ninges mornanges, more Morboobyou got you got yourself, a caninflict with a nice, easy story or just a frazy story. Thay made no sense, but they were fun. Their fun movies are always on television, they're, popcorn flicks, one of the things that I've always loved about cannon and and what's so different from. What's going on right now, right now, your movie's come to you two ways: they're either, like everybody loves it or everybody hates it. There's nothing in the middle and that's who it cannon was cannon. Was it was your bus Sunday afternoon wpix one o'clock Cobra was coming on. You know something like that and almost I I I can't think of one person that I know that's in their thirties right now or early forties. They can't do a line from any fucking cannon movie that you're thrown out throughout there. That's so amazing and what I love and we talked about it a little bit earlier with Globus. He was the money guy and this guy would raise money and he couldn't even raise money fast enough. I just lost my trans ot globus would raise the mugke and then monocum Goldyeahand e Acagoland. He would spend it fast ar they cun get it right and they were notoriously cheap one of the lines that they threw out in the documentary which I think is fantastic is he said. Ninety percent of the budget that he raised went into the film. So there was no fluff like they weren't paying. For you know food on the set or anything like that. It was the movie, that's what you got and we'r talking about the eighties, so they would go and film say they want a film two weeks in New York. Well, two weeks in New York cost two million dollars to say they were shooting a movie that was taking place in New York, like maybe like a later deathwish. When he moves over. I think it was death wish three. So now they have to shoot in New York right well, instead of shooting in New York, they wes shoot in Toronto for six weeks. What would cost two million dollars on two weeks in New York and then they would just bake Beleve Toronto is New York City and everybody does that today, everyting's shot in Canada now, because it's so much cheaper is TNAT, correct brandon. It is very true. I'm right outside o Toronoo bleazers H, isn't Jason Takes Manhattan, isn't that in Vancouver T I I wae Wyeah, it's only like a few minutes actually filmed in New York. Probably why the movie's, not that good. I Love Whan, he knocks the guy's head off and it goes into the dumpster tats, my favorite scene. Oh It's great sitting man! Well these guys, instead of like how they sell movies today, these guys would go to can they would just go straight to the film festival and they would just announce movies. They have no plan for them. It was just hey we're going to have this movie and they'd show, like you know the cover just kindaf like how it was when we rented movies 'cause, all those were just based off coverart. They would do the same shit and they would go to can and they'd be, like. Oh, we have spiderman or we have whatever and then they'd go up to their room, and these people with money would just go up there and they'd sell them the movies before they were ever made they by seldom the movie, it's not like they're, actually, physically handing them a movie, No, no, no they're selling the concept or the idea there just pitching them. That's how great of a salesperson these two cousins were as a team. They could sell anything and they were just coming up with crazy ideas and be like all right. Well, we gotta this. We got this movie and this person's going to be, and they just pitch a crazy idea. There's no script, there's nothing! There's a poster and an idea. That's all you get and give me twenty million bucks and they would do it time and time again they shot themselves in the foot doing that they were supposed to get Duston Hoffman nineteen six to this big contract. Well, they signed him in January of eighty six, two months later, Dustonholfman backed out of the contract because they put an ad for this movie. I think it was a Labravada or something like that that they were gonna. I don't remember, I don't remember what it was supposed to be. I think that was the name and they already made up the concept ar and they were showing it in a trade journal and Duston Hoffman found out. They did this, and so they renegged on the contract and he pulled himself out, but they worked with some big actors along the way they paid sliced olone twelve million bucks over the top, which was on nobody's getting twelve million bucks. No, the going rate on slices talone was six million and when he called you know the asiant said well. Slides salone gets six million dollars a picture. Now you can't pay him six million dollars he's like. I don't want to pay him six million. I want to pay him twelve and he did he did. He was worth every penny, amazing, flicks, and so everybody knows. The documentary we keep talking about is electric boogaloo. With the weird untold story of cannon films. You can find it on Netflix directed by Mark Hartley Little Plug for him there, American Netflix. It's not on Canadian t well try to give a brain into watch it. I did watch the other one that came out, which is called Gogo boys and Gogo. Boys is actually put out by Israeli company and they were fighting to get one out first, just like they did with you, know, breaking and Beat Street and EA LBADA and the forbidden dance. You know they were trying to just beat the other one out, I'm not sure which one on, but, I would say, electric Bogalo. The documentary was better than the Gogle Boys Yeah. The gogle boys wone beat them by three months to the release. Yeah. It beat electric Bogloo to release by three months, because what had happened was when the director was getting ready to make this movie. He contacted Goldem and globust to do interviews for this and they declined and immediately went into production an their own documentary and beat them yg him to it by three months, and it's pretty sad because Golen is in like a wheelchair and a lot of the clips and and the Gogo Boys, and then, of course, these came out twenty fourteen and he died. He dried right after yeah, so at least I got him in that before he kicked the bucket right, the one that they didn't do on themselves. The Electric Bogalo documentary is much better. I thought Oh yeah T S. it's way better way was time to watch. It is one of the cool things in the other documentary that they show a little bit more of is how they kindo held Compani's hostage, so they wouldautack these companies in, like Thailand or whatever d they would go to sell them a movie and they'd, be like Oh okay. You won at Charles Bronson movie great well, you have to take Ofello and then th' be like wl. We don't want tucking, we don't want Oella and they be like well. If you want Charlie Bronson you're going to take Othello and you're going to play that movie first and then we'll give you death wish four. Whenever the sock as out then and these country, these companies ofthe countries wanted those movies so badly that they would take it. So they were getting play for even the movies that nobody liked right, so pretty cool how he did business until the end yeah well until the end. But you s still see a lot of those same business practices that they started that were so renegate back then Ur. A lot of them are common practiced. Today, in Hollywood, Oh sure, like we had David, Michael Ladon back in twenty. Sixteen David Michael Ad is the CEO of silen pictures asylum films wherever they go by they're, the ones that did like they do: Zabizenation, Sharcnado and all those movies, and when he came on they're a company, that's theyre, a production company. That's never lost a penny once and that's rare and basically what he told us is well, it's easy. We sell the movie first, whenever they're going to pay us, we use that money to create the film, and that is the same thing that Golin and global staye this period. BLOOMHOUSE does the same thing: Hey it's smart. You know you're not losing money, but then, as time went on, they got that three hundred and fifty million dollar loan in, like eighty five or eighty six and that's when they started just doing crazy shit with their money and I'm sure it'll come up as we go through this list all right. So let's get this started. How are we deciding the order tonight? Let's go with Mike First okay, that will fall up with Brandon and then I'll go. Third, you can go forth. Oneone of my favorite. Canon films is a movie. That's that's pretty much a remake of a film they had done when they were still back in Israel. Th T that's where Thee Frimri ISRAA YP y yeah called Lemon popscal. I only mentioned it like six times before. That's well whatwe weed in colleges, so the movie as called L, Lemon popsigle, and when they came to America they basically remade the film almost shot for shot as the last American Virgin. What I like about it is how it it starts off with this tone like it's going to be like your traditional sex comedy, but as you go through the movie, it's so not an American style of film making, there's not too many American films that are made, especially targeted at the teen audience that end on such a downnote yeah. I E A especially early eighties late seventies. It was all you know: slapstick comedy Rigt I mean Empire can get R can get by by ending on a down note, but not a a teen comedy. You know not like a feal good movie like could you imagine if karate kid ended with like Daniel getting like pummeled and he shits his pants in front of the entire fucking? You know tournament yeah it. Actually it would' have made it. It actually would have made it the best movie. Ever that's what it's missing now that you bring it up fuck! That's all I want to see now- maybe the new one, maybe in the new one, that's right coming to you too bred, maybe we'll finally get to see that it looks like it. He Shits himself Shitd happen but yeah. I agree with Yot there 's so many scenes in there that are weird and like one scene, they mentione in the documentary is where she's in the hospital after getting the abortion- and he brings her a Christmas tree Christmas tree in a bag of oranges. Yeah like what it's kind of funny, because it's so off the wall. But I don't know, is that, like Israeli thing, yeah it's a custom, I guess I've, no idea they just for like fuckit Christmas trees and oranges, we're in California they bought it on the side of the Road Soin Exican Dude I like the imagery of when she goes and she gets the abortion and, like he just cus right away to a guy slicing a pizza I mean that's like that's just damn good film make Eah. I talleate the pizza, it's quality, editing right there, who ever thought of that transition that that's academy award winning stuff right there. I need to see this film is that available online? Like that's the thing I said to mark before a lot of these movies are not available on Amazon, Prime Anymore Han. They were so I don't know well, where do you see that one mon that one I have a dvd copy that comes with it's double feature I think losing it is the other movie on there and then I also have a blue ray of t e last Amer. The problem with the Blue Ray is that he comes with nothing on it. I mean you get no features and you're paying like sixteen. Seventeen bucks for that uon cannon still releasing these soyeah, probably they'theyv they've changed their name. Yeah Mgi Rife Ritso Mike Ranger, just selected his favorite all time cannon movie last American version, so we figured. Why not speak to somebody from the Filmi Nove that we got Diane Fraklin? Yes, you did you got Karen my Gosh. I love that film. I was just talking to someone about this when I first got the Strip you know I was it. The main thing I remember seeing when I got that stied was. There was Mukt two different tones in this movie. You know, there's that you know sixteen comedy like almost Soror eny kind of thing, going on and thentders as like heavy duty, serious story now my Pake, which was interesting now I look at the whole thing, Wi. First of all, JIS movie s sex education for guys I cul bout it. So if you your die and you haven't seen, it got yt because even now, whatis it thirty six years later, even now, hey, if it played in the theaters now people would still be stunned. They would be stunned if they saw that movie that even lends to the line of the movie. If you look at the posters where ays see it or be it, so it's it's an sex education movie. If you don't see it you're going to be that last American version right well see yeah, and I think we mentioned this o on the episode just a second ago when we, when Mi picked the last American Virgin, I hadn't seen the movie, but tee were recording this a day after so I finally got a copy of it and I watched it and of course I absolutely loved it and I was going to Thayk you sa Ooyou Wuo, O nake mood you like Mkan. Now it's like, Oh my God, no forget a dont kid and I'm forty years old now Msee, I never saw it so I didn't you CADT. I didn't learn all those things. If I just would ave seen it when I was wher you re now, man, you wo'ld, have never got crabs. You know nd, so many people saw it when they were like twelve. Like I W people whald come up O me. I saw that when I was twelve and I would we or a tat was Readin R. Okay and I reemer- I actually had to show my id to go to see the movie because they thought I was too young to go in and I'm like ind the reason why it ar but an let me just tell you as ea kid growing up like we actually own. This is prior to the HS. We had the R ca disk. Do you remember those as big R CA disks? They called them cedothoe. They didn't laugh, no long, but they were Gying, but they did have a copy of last American virgin on RSA Disk and my regular rotation as a ten and eleven year old was Greece, Friday, Thirteenth Airplane and graest American Virgin, probably yeah. So my parents were degenerates, yeah, the guy. Let me watch it right. Of course, no nobody was like. I don't know, people were warn what they went. That was also the time it's like. When people are with phones, they give their kids phones or computers to esist O give en peace. Not We, then that OAS like put the video on just let them watch, and then we can go. Do our thing so um they did it didn't change, but h the generations, the parents deven changed, but m. They were very smart. I mean they didn't really mean to be, but it was very smart because Bes Thervad Sen, this is about his life. Everything that happened in that film was based on his life is true story, but the thing that I found interesting was Neter, get a guy in to see a love story, but if you sell it is a team sex film guys are going and what are they going to learn they're going to learn about love while they're learning about sex right? So that to me was one of the brilliants of the film is that it brought people in to just learn about sex and Lo and it it brought people in yeah. I mean they still use that formula today over and over and over I mean yeah, and it's not like you guys- did bad. The movie took in six million dollars in the box office and that it might not be one of the biggest movies ever but for those thahave seen it Wat kindo carries that Colt following and, of course, ITU, be UNEASI to be in hundred million dollar movie, but it has to be much cooler to be the star of a movie that has such a profound effect on people that grew up during that era and and to be in ha cannon film. You Kn W. Oh yeahwell, you know, I don't know you know. BRT Ratner Be Directer from like tower highest and and ru, so he said that that movie affected him so much that he actually almost dated. Well, he dated a girl named Mebecca Gayhart and an he. He almost married her because she looked like me: that's how like Insan it was. It was just like he was so affected by it and I actually rote a book. My second book, which is also in Amizone, called the most excellent curls of the last American French Exchange Bame of the IDs. But that book is, I know, ithe title goes on and on, but he wrote my forward because of virgin because tha. My second book really focuses on last American virgions. So if you do like last, American virgion look up die in Franklin Book and look for the word curls and Thatobisis, mostly UNVURGIN, and so like great photos from the film and like backstories on it and so Y. my first book was about my career in general, but this second book, which just came out last year, Um that book. If you were a last American Vurgin Lover, you will love it. You'll go Creta, see. I read part of the first book 'cause I just it was like twenty four hours notice. Then we found out that youwere coming on anged out the CHAPN last American version Y alks good. I got H insihe into the movie at Lish. I had gotten the second book now because I would have given us a lot more inside on the film, but I have to ask you you talking about the Corel Yeah. You were in a coke commercial. You Ere in like a toilet paper, commercial it'like, straighter hair. Is that a sweetassperm you got going on or what like w? No, but thank a anat. Actually, what like my second book is mostly n talking about is my I would I was acting starting when I was like ten years old and I would straighten my hair for all these commercials and T v and everything, because it was like time of theroughfosed and you know Marcha Brady and all that so Lasrerkan Virgon was he a complete accident that I wound up going through the audition without straightening my hair, it was just curly and they loved it and what happened was it was the first feam that brought curly here into the Eightis last Egivergon exactlly, this time capsole, where not only has eightyes subject matter, like you know, controversial cocaine and the nudity and the abortion, and it not only has the clothing. You know the the style, the eighty style and the music, but it's the first film that brought curly hair as a Leed as as a girl who was supposed to. I was supposed to be the American dream girl and I wasn't. I was blond hair blue eyes, but that movie kick started all the firms. So, yes, it is my real hair, O know. Why would I ever do this to myself? That's so cool, though, because when you think about curly haired actresses, all you think of is probably you in Shirley Temple. I mean you do have the Noxema girl like gason befor, but or like flash dance. You know flash dance and dirty dancing do I came after and I wasn't the most popular, but I was the first hey before we get too far off you mention going to the audition, and I I found that interesting in your book and we are doing a nod to can so I think this I it's really worth talking about. So you went to this aw dis year and there was. It was just you and another person in your book and then the they auditioned you and it it almost seemed like they gave you the part right there and he started the same day. Now I star well Yoare Kind Ihad, the same day with with wardrobe like they immediately did a a custom like a wardrobe hitting what happened was I I was M. I was in New York and I was supposed to take an a chemistry exam. U and M Nyu, and I realized that I had a better and had this audition for virgin and I booked out. I said I'm not going to the audition and I went to take my pest and Nyu and I realized I had a better chance of getting a led in the feture film than passing my Cenditn I so we could be talking to Diane Franklin, the chemist right now. Yes, exactly I could be, you know, have you know created a cure, for you know diseases, but now I'm I'm here talking about Mypelf and I met Manosa, an your room, Golin and Globus. I hadn't even met Boaz e said he had flown back and I almost ha no itn like they literally. I think on their way downstairs to go to the plane and I saw them and then they said we'll fly you to la. When I got to l a they hadne, I mean Bo had said like he had seen thousands of girls. They had been auditioning in California and New York and finally, and and big name stars as well, and it was down to me and this other actress who I guess was in a soap opera or was going to be in a soap, opera and Um. I think they almost I an they. They wanted to have that other grup, so much so that they, there was an ad that had her picture in it. That's Canon style, yeah, right, they'd, already created the ad, the itink, the other girl. She had an obligation to the soap opera or she wounded taking it. I don't know if she wan to Rotot miaand. She was stunning she's, a beautiful girl, but then I wound up. They hired me right there and then I went and en the minute I got it. They went okay. So let's do some wordrobe and I wike what Itwud happen and I can by myself I was I wn by myself to l a UM, so I didn't even have anyone to you know. Like a parent or my manager, there or Anythingi just wound up sayind Oky, and then we started shooting, I think, like a week later, we was very fast seem. I didn't realize at the time when we did it that it was a guerrilla film may be like scouting locations and go okay, we're going to soot here now, towell. Maybe they didn't get a permit. I don't know aitmakes sense. That seems to be how a lot of the films were with can is uh. It was, you know, fly fly by night by the seut of the pants yeah. It was like Oka now wereatwhere, where this is. We were at a high school where, when you play the football games in the box like where the like th, maybe the Nou Wi, like at the top of the stairs right and they're like okay and get it up there and do r Seng ret whic, like the N, you know the new team, the oncene and I had to get up there and like it, was Justboas and and the cinematographer and I and Stee, and we did the scene. But everyone was down at the bottom, but I thought that they were. You know it was sort of a respectful thing, they're not supposed to be obviously unset, but maybe they were there just to make sure that police don't come because thiy would be kicked. Ot 'tknowmeanwhile, you guys are filming like wh, would seem like a soft cord porno up inthe kind of a Oh, very enlightening. Now, as an adult like. Oh that's how you make fam like I was when I was rewatching. The movie again last night hits just dawned on me. Cannon was always kindof in a race to do movies, release breaking before Bert, and then, of course, they had split by this time, but Limbada and the forbidden dance. There was a race of that one. Do you think there was a race between last American virgin getting released and fast times, O Richmond High, never seen that way, absolutely well, here's what happened virgin was made first and and then fast I was made after, but fasttis got released first and that really hurt virgin a lot, because I mean in in the distribution, because no those this was like the first teen films that came out. There were no team films that had real teenagers in them. Essentially, they always had older kids playing younger characters. No News! The big thing about the eighties was the ability to have all these young people play close to their age. You know and Um or you know, I'm I was nineteen, I'm playing like sixteen or something M and Sixte teede. Sixteen very there t was a special time and we all kind of help each other. You know one shall help beget the other film, but I look at fast times and I think that's an American ending and then I look at Virgin and say that that's like a European ending- and so it's almost like the you know fast times represents you know what the Amamerican culture was and virgin sort of represent his life. It was so real. You know you say it's American, but like that really is American. That's every guy trying to get with the girl and then getting Shid. You know it's not like they're going to take her to the prom at the end. That's just what happens in nineties films in this film you Knownot markits. You know he asically gets passed over at the end and but that's what really happens so it doesn't really end in a do M. I have like a weird take on this movie too, and I think a lot of people they kinda. Look at you. You know in the wrong way when I think like bark was thinking he was going to get a little bit more than actually he was going to get you know by paying. For your abortion and you doing all that stuff, you mean not Gaa Gary Very Garry right, an Mino. This thing, yeah, sorry, Marc Yen, Mar doesn't an even be involved in. U Now ta Irgn Okaylike, I'm in Virginia Wie for anybody's abortion. Well, it wasn't even his to pay that war, but like it always seemed to me when I watched the movie that it was kind of his own fault 'cause. He kind of got ahead of himself, and the only thing I was Kindof mad about in the end was the fact that ended up getting back with Rick after he did all that, and you know Calle An, but that's exactly what happens. Myeah Y, you know, but but see, here's the other thing too. It there's a couple of aspects of it. One is that the first thing I have to say is because iplae the character. I think the way I planted th, which actually made it kind of harder. I, the endings harder, is because you don't see coming and because I am the girl want with man and and wit wit Gal. You want me with him and I make o like a nice kind, I'm a nice girl until he end when o s. let me go, you know what this can happen to you buddy a from anybody. It could be a nice girl who does this or not nice girl. Like you know, this is life right like it can happen, and I think that kind of shake he person up like what? How can this be? You know if Goti the Betch, then you go okay. Well, then Ateverwon Ananythat, cold star, you give him at the end. When he's that's, that's steals the whole scene, it's gtome that look was, and this is I I'm glod Abo that would be unreally was when you are with somebody and you feel bad that you can't be with them, but it's just not Mentoti and you just like my character is like whoever's nice to me, I'm going to go to I'm like a feather in the wind you're nice to me. It Im t a o. You like me, then I'l Gor to you and I've Bon to the backone and a'm, not a centered, pers adult. Yet and I'm light not like a Terseus hadliht and knows what I want: I'm Li, I'm one of those bills, a Jus like I you're nice, tion Yeu and when ter I walks there and I fe, I dinme feel bad like whoever wants we've going to have to fight for me and I'm just that kind of a girl. You know that way. My character to me was 'cause. I had to justify all this. We we got the SCRIP Withanan, Oh, we are going to change this end as man. This is not the way it's going to be and when you know obviously that's when I learned I was the actress and not the writer we all were like. Oh, I guess it's anything like this. I had to justify that character. Did you feel bad for him going through the movie, knowing what was going to happ yeah? Oh yeah, absolutely an I that's not how I would have been if I hade been in that situation. That is definitely ot where I wouldn't have gone to. You know the the cool guy I I I like, although you know, if honestly, if ther had more tesense of humor, that I probably would have helped because Itwalittleo Serios, I I like Uys of sense of Ugrish, I felt bad. I mean it is interesting, drewing, the film and I, and enjoyed working with both you know, m Sevanton and Lawrence Monison. We had the best time in Kinney, Roberson and Joe Rubo. I mean this was like all of our first film. It was kind of our first big film, together and, and so we were all newbes kind of like you know, innocent and, and we had a blast, and it was just very exciting for all of us said: Oh Ot, I was going to say another aspect of what I have to bring up the rotom. I really love virgin so much as a team. Film is because everybody in that fime was treated like an adult like you know how I don't know mark- and I understand this right- mark o understand being Rumvirginan all and like I'm like we're both like older Um. We both understand that you have to wil. You Kid um nothing's taken care of for you in the old. If something had a problem, you didn't go to your parent. We you geal with it. You O in e Cosin. The downwether is por snor that INSETON or they're drinking you. Never you cadnt go to your parents. You took care of what you had to by yourself and one of the things I liked about the film was that it treedthe teenages, like adults, but the kids afted like adults to try to fix it old, take care of it. You know what I mean like th. This film could have been like people in their twenties today. o know what I mean it: Children Etrying to act like a dolls, an solve problems like adults, but they're still solving those problems with an adolescent or juvenile angled to them Mike from video rangers couldn't be here, but this they actually did an entire episode on Virgin. Like last year, IASA debated portion and the fact that you just brought up. You know you and Gary, and you know him taking care of you after the abortion. Their debate did or did you not have sex with Gary at his grandmother's house? I say no 'cause, he just had an abortion, exactly M I'd say I I said no, so he was. I mean that my my guess is that he he respected me too much and I mean not too much actal right amount, so write amouch the perfect amount m. He respected me and I o there's no way, no, no, there's no way to too e heard Yo, but- and I think that's what would keep him more wanting to be with me because there's a hope of that and there's the romance of that. You Know No. He wouldthat Carin love with me. So No, I don't think he had a good thing. You Didn Yo. He would end up being a dead fuck anyway and of course you know where I'm going on Hisad the same actor went on to play Ted in Frother, the thirteenth Ye ry. You don't want to be had Fok, I right Wellyou'R. No, there you go it all workoueyou go Mike. She did not have sex with Gary Os Grandmother's house yeah. I have to say I did not affect of him. No, I agree, I'm backin now and then. Lastly, we're doing this whole thing on cannon and we we're going through all of our favorites, and I have to ask you the question o an ont. You turn in this, but you can't pick virgin okay. What is your favorite cannon movie? I want to say the one that Cathrene marry steward was empty. Athat one did not make our list right. Okay, so I'll ask T to what make it easier, Ronson or chucknors. I'm sorry. I think I got to go Broun Sa ys, maybe that's wrong, but I' bit more old school, but I I do have to bring up something before before I go 'cause. This is like super born. My daughter is a filmmaker and I'm going to put her name out there. Her name is Olivia Dele Rentis and she um did this ser like this web series, called sugar babies and I'm in one of the episodes its like a Websuringidi comedy. So everybody go watch, Olivia, dularentis Lok for barely legal comedy. You better put the comedy in there or you're Goinna go Soro Gii, dairly little congmody and I'll look for sugan babies, nd Aten, Sul Te babyteacers! Don't put that comedy in ther oe tat I iget form, which is fine. An she co, various beautiful funny, she's much more talented than I am so um check it out: Olivia Dularentus, barely legal comedy, yutub sugar babies. All right there you go. That's my little I'll! Definitely check that out tank. You, I have a great night Igo byall right bran for my first one I went for a more random cannon picture and that is the Texas chain saw masker too. Oh good tar comedy. I didn't even realize this was a canon movie, and so you guys invited me on the show- and I looked up the list- and I just love how how such a different take on the whole genre is, especially since it's done by the same director as the first movie yeah. It's a totally different tone and style of movie. But I think that's what's nice about it, because there's no way you're going to be able to top the original the nocum did not like it. I just love how to Hooper thinks that the original was comedy Jack. This one Golon was really upset when this was when he first screened this movie, because he thought he was going to get like a really gritty movie like the original and toby wanted. t like you were saying he wanted to add more comedy to a more new element. Golon was really upset. That's what was the name of the other movie that Toby Hopperdid for them. It's INBA aters from Mars in smarts invaders, fom, ors, Yeah Yeah, I'm! Actually I'm looking at it right now. Golon hated that movie as well, but it was a package deal like for him to get the one he had to do the other so yea. I've always wanted to see that one, because some of the visuals for that movie are just so out there I mean y Goldand a globast. They were involved very heavily in the film making process, but if they wanted a certain director or somebody to come in, they kindof gave them free reign to create a project for them right. You know a lot of that stuff that he was able to put in that movie. I don't think would have gotten gotten by in any other studio, sounds like Disney today, yeah a lot of lot of those guys that came over. They had free range because they pulled them over ritexact John Casavetis, like you know, with the the time you would never let anybody add time to a movie, especially when Hou asked them to cuttime and that's how they get these big stars in. Is they you know, they'd, say: Hey, look we'll pay you more money and Wi'll. Let you do whatever the fuck you want and it worked. It worked fantastically until the end until the end until they started kind of speaing themselves way too thin and chop top is still one of my favorite characters from any movie and there's actually supposed to be a secuel to this one, with just about chop top zoo that never de released yeah. I think it was done by Hooper's son or someone related to him. Theyu probably ran out of money. I've got a question. Does leather face know that you rate his wardrobe? I absolutely love that they copied the breakfast club poster. Yes, that movie, that is fucking amazing and then put it in Hollywood boulevard, Yeah Yeah. For me growing up that was one of the iconic V, a JS boxes, like f all of the VHS boxes. You saw growing up simple. It was to the point it was a good visual and it was iconic because you knew that pose from the breakfast club and it sets the tone for the movie. I doyes. It's all you need to know you look at that. VHS Box, and you know, and a lot of cannon covers, were like that. It's a beautiful thing. It really is all right, so from my first pick, I'm going to go with something a little bit later down the line, there's so many movies in cannon that I I wan Ta pick, but I think this one was good, even though I'm not a huge check, nose, Fan, but there's so many redeeming qualities in this movie that I have to just grab this one now and that's nineteen. Eighty sixs N Deltaforsass with with Chuhnoris Lee Morven the this is where they started to spend money 'cause most of their movies. They only spent like one or two million dollars on sometimes even less than a million dollars. This movie they spent twelve million dollars on which is an Insene Oun, especially for nineteen six. Well, it has an all star cast. It really do. Does I wanted, I know what they spent. The twelve million dollars had to be all on effects because e, let me h just go back a little bit, so they they spent twelve. They only took in seventeen, but that was kind of typical for a canonflict where they'd make four or five million dollars on each movie. So this was even a wind for them, Neby TA standards. If you saw that they only pulled in seventeen, you ike otts garbage, but that's what t that was their market back then, but then that changed a little bit later and a couple of years later and they KINDOF ruded it. But Lee Marvin's in this movie it's his last roll he's basically dying through the movie. He moves around like the Otter Dog Sh. He looks horrible even on the box, where him an cack Taehorse ar holding the I'm trying to think not the name. I was trying to think of the GE launcher thing: Tatherholding he's just holding it so horribly around his waist. You could tell he can't even lift it well that it kind of looks like he's propped up like he's landing on something like out of that. You can't see it's like behind him. You know it's so terrible, but you could see. Is the movie's going on his health is just diminished, it's really evident and he died the next year. So I mean it was right around the corner. The other great part of this movie is that Robert Forster a lot of people he might know he was the bail bondsman in Jackie Brown yeah. He actually plays the main bad guy, so this white Dude Robert Forster F playing a Middle Eastern guy named Abduel and he pulls it off pretty decent. He did now. What I love about this movie is that they were able not only to get away with the Robin forrestor bullshit, but it was the time where we could have two Israli film makers come to America, make a big budget action movie about a plan hijacking by terrorists and it's a fun rompist good time. Oh, it certainly is. The great thing is that they film this in Israel yeah. They had created this Israeli think they called it like the Cannon Communication Center or something they built. This huge thing with a studio by the mountains and they filmed it all there, so they probably saved to Shitload of money and that all went into the huge explosions. The end is great, where he meets them on the bike as they're driving up the road he's chuck. He horses on the motorcycle fucking awesome movie, but this starts the downfall for cannon and that's another reason. I kindo Wantd to start right here, because everything was always no frills before this point and then right here I on nine utndred and eighty six, they moved into their headquarters was in Los Angeles and they held a black tie, release party for the new can in Los Angeles headquarters and for Deltaforce, and they had all these people coming to their three story: parking garage that was next to the building and they laid down astroturf in the parking lot, with better way for Glob, an and Globists to have a black tie event in a fucking parking garage, but that was kind of the downfall man. They you know they. They were trying to act like ballers right there and this wer. It started a roll downhill and that's the problem. They were the faket to you, make it guys and they were great at being the facet till you mak it guys and once they made it, they tried to be the the big time making all the time guys and that didn't work. I think more it was Golon. There was Tho make it all the time go. I think globus was a little bit more. Let's watch what we do with our money, go one and fuck it well, that's eventually why they did the the two cousins split up and went their own separate ways right allright, so it leads to you mark all right. Well, you guys know where I'm going with my first pick: Wan N, O Brainer and that's the most financially successful movie that Gola and Globists did during the canonyears and that's nine Tuteen and eighty four is smash it. It's number one in your harts, it's breaking! Yes, I've never seen this movie growing up. For me, this is one of my all time. Favorite films, I've seen this countless times and it's not like I'm a brake dancer, I'd love to see them dabbled when I was a seven or eight year old, into the break, dancing contest or too didn't do so well. When my shoe flew out into the audience, did you bring your own cardboard? No, it was on a hardwood floor. So, but anyway do you have the numbers this one? They only. They only spent a little over a million bucks yeah brought in sixty world wide a huge score for cannon I've loved this movie for as long as I've loved movies. I think it s one of the first movies I lanched onto as a youngster and I'd watched it over and over and over, and I still continue watching it and it's not like Lucinda Dicki's, the greatest actress in the world, she's quite horrible in this film, but I think that's whatt's, charping or Brak Dancer. Oh she's horrible. She is a great dancer, a horrible breakdancer and, as we've mentioned before the first appearance of Jean Cladvan dam in a cannon film. Yes, it's equally as epic as the dance and kickboxer yeah ow does tewait. His first movie for Canon was a break dancing movie. Yes, yeah Yeawa Hick! Oh I now I got awahe's just in the background yeah. He was a background splits. Now I wouldn't even say background dancer. He was in the crowd: clamping along and dancing happeing to Li Itar, aleazard yeah, it's pretty fucking AVEC. But again, this is where they kind of shot themselves on the foot, because, as they would do, if they scored o hit, Golon would immediately try to cash in on a sequel and with this one they they kind of missed the boat because they they hit it with break and they beat out beat street, and then he was like, let's just put out a second one, and by Time Electric Bogaloo came out, which is a sequel. Nobody really like it wasn't that big of a deal break dancing, especially a Briak dancing movie so t at they spent e little bit over a million dollars in that one they only brought in sixteen. So financially it was still a pretty good nut. You know, I remember electric Bogaloo a little bit better ecause. It was always on H, b, O it was with breaking people always forget. Yes, of course it had Lucinda, Dicky, Shabadu and Michael Bugalu shrim. You know you're three core players, but also Christopher McDonald, great Cama, aparents and that shoot her mcgabbin Yeah Shoo Imer gap. That's Christopher McDonald, yeah, yeah, yeah and then also can't forget ice T. his first apparance N in film, the beginning of his acting career, was breaking Sh, so the landmark film underappreciated- I don't know if you remember, although this has never been confirmed. This is just my personal theory. I breakand was remade in the early two, thousands and renamed save the last dance. I was going to say that yeah a little bit t they. It was definitely inspired by breaking it's the same story where a white affluent female dancer you know, goes to dance with the quote: Unquote: Street kids, Yep and the culture's collide, but they there's a love of interest and it's the same story when they were doing their their whole sales pitch and can they actually brought Shabadu and Boglou shrimp to can to dance for people ye sell that movie helnd that would have sold it yeah, pretty crazy shit. I so I just pick breaking is my favorite all time Canon film and for some back up on this one here is the original king of Krencha ozone himself, Sheppard Abedue Shabedu! Welcome to the poop culture plaask. I I I'm happy to be here IPOIT's with a poop culture, eah. The almizy, you know e to say you know the foot culture eithew Tun, twister yeah, it is, is not a SI e tat. Why can't we can I G cohave? Just at PC, you can eahsome people do yeah, poop culture, P C the showis not too PC, though this episode that we're doing is on cannon films. Now monocom Goan was quite a character himself, yet he w. What do you remember about him? Yo evitually? I was, I would call it. I was called in for meeting to coreograph breaking. I wasn't called in to be in the movie. At all I mean the in the script Ol Tou was written for, like I think, he's an eighteen year old nineteen year old kind of a drop out sort of cod te. Kid Me Beoo goand. It was kind of like meeting job of the hut. I remember sitting there and eating a watermilly bitting out feed waterbilly feed an they had foundit, something like haven't, believe it Oono what se ehe yeah he he just glew T it. You know one point in the in in the meding: You don't have Dan you act and that was like I from Chicago I he just kind of like looked at e En said: okay, GOP, a no from Chicago Eo, the Gowich he casting place. 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You know what in in Hollywood, they call that what do they call Om cat, Bovie Thas, the high high concept, filp yeah, it's you know: Sdon't get Taila Y ou like it transports you back to that era. Wherever aid you ere, it's just like collecting like mark- and I are both forty years old. So a lot of the stuff that we have in our studios are. You know, like I, have a huge D v D collection. But besides that I have like a lot of nostalgic things from you know the eighties and nineties growing up and it's not going. It makes you like, revert back to that, but you have those memories that come back. When you see those things around, you kindo makes you feel good. So when people watch breaking you make hem feel good yeah. I put Ityou y seriously Thogil B, making light of everything but hean't dot, so good that the film have R has regonated with so many different people round the world and and then it brought real joy to their lives, anieven even focus e to to to realize their career. 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Now in America, where we we, we we haven't really come to grips with ourselves, as the nation buthe have a lot of busie like racism and accusations of races of it everyone's on egg shells. You know people people worry that you know. Kids are worried about getting shot a school, that you have di t t viquitof terrorism, that everywhere and- and it was in its unsettling- we're, unsettled and and people are not really happy a as happy as we could be because we're we're just in constant red alert, you know, and in thenied Ta in the seventies we had. You know Vietnam War, with the loi pretty much wit, Hem enborly, Tha, tee right, O wher. He had all these bans and people wer trying to you know have identitis if thatwis identity, we have all that stuff. In that way, I I think the seventies is unique and so the Eightie it was a lot a lot of fun. It was the birst. I would think it would be. The True Birdh of Ofha Popaly know it. 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I will so your art continues to inspire the next generation thanks for not for coming on the show man, they had my pleasure Manto. IT Gav t tak for having me on its been nice, taking with thou guys. Lo Fun, hey thinks yougain Shopin, a love you guys by fo conter, alright, so go back to me. I gotta go with a really easy one. I even think I wrote it down 'cause, it's so easy. You mention John Clalandam, so I have to go with his first movie and that's Blood Sport and they they spent about a million dollars in this movie and it only took in about twelve again it's a big hit for Canon, but initially Golon hated, the movie and John Claudvan Dam actually reedited the movie himself. I'm sure he did physically do it himself, but he sat in the editing room with the guys and edited out the whole story. Basically it just made it a fight tournament movie and it's it's magical, fucking flick. If you haven't seen blood sport, you're living under a rock shit's on T v every weekend- and I always get a little upset when people like Kindo Fewfhoh, this movie or John Claud Van dam, because it's like you can't give it a bad name- 'cause, it's always on fucking television. This is a movie that came out in Nineteen Eighty, eight thirty years ago. It's still playing you know. I see it all the time I have an eight year old and I just showed him this movie and he absolutely loved it. He only likes movies that are non. Stop action like if there's a movie that, if there's a little bit of a lull he gets bored immediately, he probably would have hated the original version right, but he loved this version. Well, the the movie bloodspoard, if you haven't seen it it's about Frank Dukes t, is s t s a it's total bullshit story, but the guy sold. It is really a real story where he like went a wall from the army. He was like this high level karate champion. Is it a bullshit story, though? I've alway heard it a true snore hour, it's Bulshin, so there is no real frank dukes or there is no there's a real, no there's real frank dukes. He just made up the bullshit story, so he never fought in the cumet n. He does not have a two second knockout in the cubotie. He did not set meol records at the Cube Day. It's fucking off Abricatan Bulit it'. It is what it is, but a better story that came out of blood sport is how Golon and Jockcalandm actually met, and it wasn't during Um breaking. It was actually a couple of years later Golon went to a restaurant to eat dinner and his waiter was John Claud Vandam and supposedly this is a story, and this is why I' bring itg up after Frank Duke's, because I don't nobody knows if it's actually true, but both guys claim it is, and if it is, it's amazing story, so he says to the guy. You know he's like. Oh, are you goalon D, and he said yes, who are you Yo said I'm John Clovvan? Damn you know. I know you from Blahblah Blah, so he puts something on his head. I forget what it was like a piece of cake or some shit and like kicks it off his head, without touching him. So Golon is impressed, gives him his card says, come see me tomorrow and then they go and they sit down for a meeting, and you know Sohn Claan Danne tol him how he wants to be a star and he could do splits and he's got muscles and all his shit and go on's like look actors sell movies, not muscles and splits. So John Claumadam starts crying and Golon feels bad leaves the room, an comes back with the blood sports script and says: Okay, fine, you an be an action star here and gives them blood sport and the rest ofs history supposalo. That's the story, I'M GOING TO BUY I! If they I don't care if they both fabricated. It and just said this- is both a story we're going with. That's like the greatest story ever so. I choose to believe that hit's, a good story that it is all right so we'll move out. Mine was bloodsport. Brain my choice is the black sheep to your Tommy boy, as in going with kickboxer, a very Nice Oka, which is very close to the same premisse except leading up to the fight is a bit different. He loses his Woy, he doesn't lose his brother, his brother gets paralyzed and the kickboxing fight, so he decides to get revenge and does the whole karate kid thing goes and gets traine and kicks some trees and hurts his leg and cries. A little bit gets drunken dances, iye best scen to that movie. So good- and I remember seeing this movie when I was a kid because my cousin owned it and every time iwould sleep over at his house iwould wake up early in the morning and put it on so I've seen this movie so many times, Thoug you'R to say: You're Gonta, you kick the wall, you should just go over his house and kick the wall. I love the scene when he's getting ready for the fight and he's hearing that big Thud Soun Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah Tongu Pool that kind of won ups, the the tree for sure it'll bowl yeah, takes a whole flucking wall out takes out the column. I still think the the training, Montog sequences and blood sportare are way better they're, not really what training montises? Are It's more fighting? MONTAGES? No. In the beginning, the whole training montage, where he's learning from Oh as ad, you mean yeah yeah. Oh that stuff. I don't know man, he kicks down a tree in kickboxer yeah. I think kickboxing training montages are better and he does t the split Roya where they they hat airboxer Das kickbos of in blood sport he's on the chairs, no in bloard in the beginning, when they're eraining him, he they have his arms and legs on pulleys, and he he lifts himself up and then pulls one of the the fucking tree like out of the GRO box or June. I Call Bullshit that is blood sport, we'll stop this God. Damn podcast right now and put in a copy of blood sport, wait a minute guys they're, both they're, both fantastic films, and if anybody doesn't like to o Forwitin ther Ey Er Miagi they're, not MMFUGI, I want to see a fight between Mister Miagi and Bolo young and Mr Fuji Ond Sjust Salfight, but ye no, that's in blood sport. That's when he learned. That's a definitely kickboxer. No, he e in the beginning of blood sport. When he's teaching hem how to focus 'cause, they show it in the flashback during the cumate after he gets the salt in his eyes and he's having the flashbacks of all the training montages. The part he learned to focus is that he had him drawed and quartered on these pulleys on these two giant wooden tree posts. All right. Let's just agree to disagree here, so we have three people saying kickboxer and mark saying blood sport is that is that kind of what the the count is here so we'll get back to this okay, we'll research, this d get back to it. OK, keep in mind, I've never seen kickboxer, so it could be in both movies would be the cannon way. Recycle. Just we'll just highlight that Cavi. By saying I have never even seen kickboxer, it's IV seen clips of it, but I've never seen it in its entirety. You've dreaptd it allright Mike. My my next pick is just the absolute very best arm wrestling movie of all time and that's over the top. Oh himyes starring the Great Star Stalon. I love this fucking movie. I did just rent the shit out of it. I watch it to this day. I show it to my niece's and nephews. I own the fucking soundtrack. I've got the forty five single of the stupid fucking song that plays two or three times throughout the movie, and you know what the best part about it is: It's not just an arm. restling movie, it's a father sontail. It is, and I used to watch this movie with my dad all the time you know what the most redeeming quality of the movie is. Is Robert Loga in it yeah losa's great. He is. He is great in that it's just fucking, perfect man, the rippling muscls tenny loggins. In the background, Terry Funk, you're driving very ow great. He gets thrown through a window to this scene where he drives. The fucking truck like through the front gates is intense man, and that truck is all he has. That's probably why you get sold little money for it at the end when he has to sell it to bet on himself s eepping, the grand for that Fugg, an they. I I adore this movie and there's not lot a lot of things. I can say I adore, but I do I do. I Love The fucking movie Man, I ea. It is a father and son movie. I watched it with my father growing up. I absolutely love it. It's good cheeses alone at his best, but in a serious manner, yeah like he's not like tango and cashcheesy or Oscer cheesy. No, this is tlone being stalone, not quite rocky, but ot rocky of armd wrestling. Oh Yeah, Lincoln, Hawk Rocky Baltbola. I think Lincoln Hawk had hem on the intelligence factor, not in rocky four. Actually in rocky three. All of a sudden he becomes fucking a genius. ICAN, read yeah, he's doing all kinds of thing: themistry something just got jared loose that he can actually drive. It's like yeah, a Lamborgiti of all cars ar frary wherver. He had yea 'cause young Rocky Balboa definitely took the short bus. He was in the class that the sheede they pulled down, O Yo. It was right next to the boiler room 'cause. You know if you had a special edroom in your high school. Inevitably it was right next to the boiler room in any high school were in the boiler or in the boiing room, just to drown out the clapping of the ABCs. Do you call bullshit on this? This is my biggest debate about this movie. Okay and W. We have to talk about it m over the top move: Okay, like nobody in the history of fucking arm wrestling ever thought of just regripping, your fingers so you're over the top of their fucking thumb and like if you tried that and theyre serious competitive world, you don't think his head would have got driven through a fucking concree wall in listen man in real life. It makes absolutely no sense, but there's not one fucking kid that didn't see that movie and then arm rustlesome as do the same h and it wok tat Aroro the orm wrestling epidetthat's Wat of the eighties. That's what somestis alone has done for for his whole audience. You Mimic this mother fucker. Well, there is a professional harm wrestling league now because of this movie still II'm just talking about just everything he does like his mannerisms, the things that he puts into each character like it's just like you know, I walk around the fucking house and I'm Ik. Oh, you know this. Wa Turtlefoo's got more maulds and flies. You know. Do you have a girl? You have a set of turtles named coffin link as well. No Dont even have tets my testacles as coffin La fucking love over the time I didnt. Do. I remember everybody. When that came out was arm wrestling in elementary school. There was an arm restling table in the fucking cafeteria. It was serious business honestly meant you go through the cannon film list and you and you look at it like how the hell do these guys like go bank, how they lose their company 'cause. These are the things I watch so much and it's just like if they just not spent their money so quickly, they would have made all of it back in rentals and TV, an good if they just went 't kheld on to it. If they didn't make fifty movies in nineteen eighty six 'cause back, then there was no licensing. Nobody lies an things, but whoever owns those movies now is fucking. Making Bell it's MGM and Universal on some sons of pitches probably explains why they haven't made good movies. In a long time, probably they'rethey're they're cursed a as a great pick. I got the poster over there too. So I'll give you double points. Do you I've Oyeah, wanted it it's it's upright over there below the project, I'm I'm so jealous ibrated. All Right, I'm going to go with masters of the universe, O, that's a good one, not really yet isays. This is a bad bad movie. This is the downfall, but but it's bad and a good way O. I love it. It is bad in a good way. I'll give you that I kept saying before at the beginning of the end. This is the end of cannon right here. They struck a deal with Mattel during this movie, where they would split production costs in half, so Mattel would do one half in Canan would do the backhass smart, so they did it halfway through the movie, Mattel ran out of of production money. They said to cannon Oky, Eureupe and cannon. Looked at them and said we don't have anything to put into it. So at this point in the movie, mettell had a pony up and just keep paying, but they didn't give them the full amount that cannon Ra said they were going to pay into it. So if you watch the movie, it gets to about the middle, and then it just gets fucking weird, and then you watch the end scene where there at first they're in like this l e internal like pit, I guess it's supposed to be snake mountain or something I don't know where they're supposed to be all the characters Ar fucking meed up yeah. I don't think theywere in Castle Gray, scull yeah they're in some weird spot, but it's pretty nice, then all of a sudden he's killing him and it just looks like a room with blankets around it. Oh yeah, it's just fucking, weird B'cause. They ran out of money and they couldn't leave the movie just hanging, so they added all thise blackdropcloths and there was only like a single worklight and it looked like somebody just draped it in their garage. IAS, fucking, Bizarre Y. AH, in that movie soaked up so much of their money, I mean that was the one thing cannon used to do as they would move money around from projects to projects like they picked up the rights, for it was massers to the universe from Mattel and there was one other franchise that they picked up. That was a toy hicked up, SPI Spiderman for two hundred and fifty grand which ended up blazing 'cause E aned in America, and they had budgeted Spiderman for a twenty million dollar movie. But then, after picking up Mashes, O the universe and going into production and that they took the spiderman money and m o made spider me in a seven million dollar movie and and then the director backed out and said he candn't do it Igt and it never got made. Thank God. But I don't know Kindo like to see his can on Spiderman movie the Funny Story About the Spiderman movie was they were changing the whole thing they were going to make it into a horror movie. Rs Ye would still get bit by the spider as a kid, but then he would turn into e this grotesque spider. It would be a a fly, but it spiderman typical cannon, but this movie right here that you're talking about Brandon, they paid twenty two million dollars on you know estimated twenty two million bucks and that took all the Superman fors money too, and they only gross seventeen, so they were losing money had overfest at this point and now it's a cult classic yea. I think it's on neflex too. I got two words for you guys good journey like a movie's, fantastic, it's been so many years since I've seen it. I love how like the the key that transfers them between universes and worlds is a Japanese synthesizer and he uses like machine there's like fucking laser machine guns and shit like that IIT's, it's like it. It's just great wt, the OTALL. I have a pot guest about really shitty movies. This you'll like this part, because when Matel found out that they were going to make all these weird changes to the movie, they were upset about it. Man At arms looks like he's like ninety years old skeletors, cheesyis fuck he'sjust got like a white mask on they te like all the fucking PLA, everybody that's in it is just badly casted, but mattell said to them at first like don't change the story, but then, once mettel found out that they were going to g, they were getting screwed over moneywise, because mattell was actually going bankrupt at this time too, not bankrupt, but they were really losing their hat. They came back to them and they said you know, kill people, blood, guts, score sax, do whatever you have to do just make this movie youhit and obviously they did not do I no far from it yeah. It doesn't even resemble the cartoon and or toy line really in any way. No no yeah you're right. It's if you're a fan of the cartoon. It's a totally different, take right, but I can see why Olll we had man yeah ID, see why matel would be so upset because here's a movie marketing their product that doesn't look or sound or act like anything like their product. So it was. You know I can see where they were coming from on that it was a gross misrepresentation of what the Mashes of the universe franchise really was right. Good Pick, man, I'm going to go with an this. The originals one of my favorite movies, ill love, but I'm going to go with the sequel and they bought it out came out about eight years after the original and that's death. Withtwo haven't seen that one I haven't seen any of the death wish franchise. I've been waiting me, neither real a totally got to see it. 'CAUSE deathwish one is a fucking classic and his sequels are the most outrageous fucking nonsense and I remember seeing clips as a child. I think it was three where he's fighting a band of neonazis do three or like punks sde for three Ar that's three yeah death was three: is the one when there's he's killing so many fucking people that the headbag guy actually picks up a phone 'cause, there's a phone direct to bad guys and he thi. I knew more guys. Send me more guys, apparently there's a number you can call like if you Getana, like he's, got a green room of bad guys in the back and he's like calling to the bullpen. You know they actually made money with these movies, though Charles Bronson was probably the first big name that they signed to a moultipicture deal. The guy was like already Kinda on his way out of the business, but he signed on for like five or six flicks, and you w you had like ten to midnight assassination was another one all movies I bought on Vhs when I was with Mike Um, but death wish too H, I'm actually I'm looking at some of the double yeah. I got well miner in front of me, they're, just locked in this fucket thing that I can't open but h this movie deathwish two. They only spent two million bucks on and they made forty five million, so this was a big hit for them and it was in nineteen and eighty two, the one mike was talking about before. I doubt anybody's not bring ing up so I'll, throw it out. There wit. Death was three: they spent nine million and they took in sixteen worldwide typical cannon release there. But I love three because threes so fucking off the wall and it it gets away from the darkness of one and two ell. I it was justgoing to laugh. 'cause three actually was. If nobody picked it, I was going to totally take that. But I really death wishe. You could put t all under one umbrella, but sin since you brought up two whe. I love about part too. Is that not only does his daughter and his wife get raped, inpart one, but the daughter again gets raped in part. Toon jumps out a window onto her fucking fence and kills herself. Do you blame her NA as she was already fucked in the head, which one Jeff Golbloom is in one of those? Is it part two or is it apartwen os? Oh, it's too. It's too Zit's TS, fishburn. All those guys are in that Rape Scene Yeah at Hell, O a rape scene. I mean horse rape scenes, go shopnot whawhat the rapeseds of one and two are the most file scenes. They turned the bodcast. Next week, when we give you our top ten rape scenes, Oh thee, somebodyhoo death, which one and death was to at the top of the fucking, lie: Yeah they're, they're fucking bad, the one one is not a cat and film, but it Couldn K, O yeah, but the one in two is fucking bad, the Lawrence Fishburn's parof than fucking rape, I'm sure he wishes. He never was in that movie. U, but three getting back to that one! It it Kinda starts a new chapter, because now he moves from. He was in San Francisco. I think in the first two YEP and then he moves to New York and Thrasa Fars. When he's in New York, I was the first one Yo and then he en he's in New York, he his his wife dies g is daughter, goes into that the mental institution, and then he goes to Texas to do some he'she's, an architect right and the second one. He picks his daughter up, they're back in New York and the third one. I think he was like somewhere else, and then he ak tat visit a friend, right and New York turns into like the worst place in the fucking world. Yes, but if you split those two up like one and two are good on their own like together, but then three four and five whole different animal, Oh yeah, now you're fucking you're. Turning into eleven, it's a war three to five or Strai of fucking war, one and twois the battle three through five you're in you're in the shit. But I think four and five are just really really bad. But three ethis reel ti three's, like in the middle of the first set in the second Ed three, is so che three's a lot of fun. That's the best part about three and Parttoo is just like. I can't believe that kid is back on the escalator. He has almost as bad luck as John McLean yeah talk about a Guy Thot's got be always in the wrong place in the wrong time, and that's funny, because now Bruce Willis is playing Paul in the new movie et Yeah Yeah, which I'm on the fence about. I was more excited when stalone was attached. It's Elirotto and Eli Roth is a big Canon Fan, so he's going to do the Sht justice. I think it Cano be good yeah. I I hope I mean I want it to be good. I've liked a lot of the other projects that Yoli Oth is done all right, so speaking of that you're up Al Right. So this is what my third peck 'cause we'recounting the th. The original snake was with breaking one and two correct sure whatever well it was going to talk about it and t e he're, not very organized you well, we'll just count the first one s breaking all right. Well, I'm going to go with King Solomon's, minds nice. I I liked this movie. When I was a kid: Oh you're, serious yeah. No, I only Sart. I was only a coord o your kid. I was oufortunate enough to see it a few times a few times, but I did I did like this one. It is. It is like the cheesy knockoff of h of rates of the lost Ark. You know how today you get uh like Bloomhousens, a few other companies that do like obvious knockoffs of movies, on like no budget on like Sharknado budget like yeah asylum, yeah yeah, like Thesaum. This is like the same thing, but done with writers of t e lost Ar, except they did it in the eighties. This, the one with Sharon stone in it, yeah yeah, yeah, fucking horrible, and they hated each other yeah. She sucks to work with, at least at the time price still does yeah. I don't know if that changed later in her career or not, but and then she agreed to do the sequel, which was weird she had such a horrible experience on the first one, but wanted to do the sequel. So you heard the story on how they got charonstone right, for this move a they. They got the wrong person. They wanted Kathleen Turner 'cause. He was watching romancing. The stone and Golon was like. I want her H and her, and it's so funny, because, right before we started recording, I went over to my vhs stack, I'm like Oh grab my copy of King Solomon's minds. I don't have King Solomon's mine, I have jewel of thenial, which I totally understand how you confuse thed, 'cause Ete was like a rip off of that and Indiana Jones just put together. It was that's exactly what the movie was on a quarter of the budget can't believe you, you picked that one, it's Fnn, I'm actually I'm looking at it right now. I have a vs copy of. I gotto get a copy of it right. So here's one that I think maybe Mike has a copy of. I Don t remember if I saw it there, but it's part of the Trulogy, I'm not going to go with the first one in the trilogy I'm going to go with the last one in the Crilgi and that's Ninja, three, the domination. I've always wanted to see this movie, because you know my love for Missl Sindadicky. Yes, I've, ally and I've never found a copy of it. Oh you can this one you could find online. Oh I'm sure I could y yeah there's there's a blue rey out of that one. Is there Um Yeah? I? Actually I don't have that one! It's it's on my Amazon wishless M. I don't have any of the Ninjur movies. Well, I thought I saw him there when I was Nob and I wish I did have 'em. I don't have any of the American inges. I don't have the other ninjure movies. well, t the three movies in the trilogy you had entered then Inja revenge, a the INJA and then injutry the domination. All three movies they're the trillogy, but they have nothing to do with one another. They're all completely different. This movie they spent one million bucks on they brought in seven. Another good cannon release it had like Mark said, had Lucinda Dicky, and this is right before she did breakin and the great part about the storyis. They just mashed like three fucking movies together, so it's like the exorcist h enter then Inja and what 'd you say, the third movie it would be like. Like man, I don't know it's, so it's real fucking yeah, it's three weird movies put together, 'cause, basically now you're dealing with Aninja that passes his the exorcist, because y basically fucking takes her body over and puts the Ninja in Thi this fucking chair. She has monzess by the soul of by the dinja yeah. I liked how they said that the only reason that the only re way an audience would buy a female Ninja is if she was possessed a ast Fi, an alike you fucking, sexis, someother fuckers, the other movie that we're missing out on. They took elements of flash dance. That's what it was t ne Ticky is a fucking aerobics instructor yeah, so an aerobics instructor gets possessed by Aninja and 's like. How do you not like that? No exactly you you describing it that way. It's just like this is the best thing I've ever heard of. I got to see this well. She had two jobs. Also, do you remember whate her second job was she was welder close that would have been a complete rimpoleother than that they made her a telephone, linewoman ohgod. She paulsed pretty close. She polished tornofs, so she takes over the spirit of this dead Ninja and the entire movie is basically the Goodninja trying to get the this evil Nija out of her body, definitely worth watching it's now. It's probably an hour and a half. I would I would actually it doesn't matter where you start in that series 'cause. They don't connect so start with three and work backwards. Is Anybody Goet ta pick any of the encher than inges as we finish this up? I've never seen them. So No, I don't want to pick 'em because my experience with them is really limited. I honestly the Ninjer ones I haven't seen since the nineties. Okay, so the only other thing I'll throw out 'cause the second one wasn't really too redeeming. They changed it up and then Ninja had like that silver mask on, but the first one is great because it's Franco Nero is playing the fucking, the Ninja tiis, the guy that played the original Jango right, how he is the Fuckin Ninja had no martial arts experience sides on for a movie Golen like says: Hey, you're going to be as t is, fucking Ninja and that's where it starts so watch t'em, all they're, they're great watches, collect them all. Kids. That's right! Spend your money, adults all right, Mike Um, this next one I waned. I wanted to pick something a little weird, something like a little obscure and this movie is really similar to the last American version. It's the same style of hijinks and the movies called the Hot Chili and it's from nine teen and Eghty Five, and this is a one that you really are never going to come by. Uh, it's really hard to get a v S of it, you're more likely to find a BETEMAX. Even then you're going to be paying. You know fifty bucks plus for it wow and basically what it is. It's like. It's again, it's three, you know teenage guys, hey the I think, they're in like freshmens in high school. It's either F through their seniors in high school or Freshmens n freshmen in college, and they go to a redor for the summer to like it's in Mexico, and they go to this resort and they're Goingna work there for the summer and like all they want to do is get laid. I mean there's actually a like a bunch of scenes where, like the nerdiest kid in the movie s, just he can't he says like I want to talk. I want Ta F, it's fucking crazy man and it's severely lower in the budget compared to last American Virgin. Like t the music is not nearly as good the story's terrible, but the only people that return you know t to this is Um. The fakid from last American Virgin is in it and the woman that plays Carmella hesis in it she's and it's not a sequel, but it's basically like a really similar movie. Man Ive. Never seen that one yeah, you can watch basically what I had to do, because once I found out who was in it and who made it and how it was kind of really similar. I went out. I found it on you tube and I watched it for Free Hat's illegal. Well, you know, I I'm not the one tha put it up there, Youre F yeah. You know w. We Sell Lucisonshit Um, but it's definitely like Kinda. It's Kindo worth a watch because some of the sexscenes are really over the top. What like Anil noit's, just like the height of like sex, comedy runt Wanchi, I mean like bockey W O we talking you're, making me uncomfortable there mark. You know it's like I'm in the back of a Volkswagon I' getting excited, but so much craunchier than porkies. No, it's yeah a little bit. Yeah Horkies isn't necessary at parties, I wouldn't say pses to robs but like when you know- and this is something that I talk about with people a lot when especially people that were where their first sex comedy experience really is like American Pie. If you go back and you watch last American Virgin and you watch the Yarkeys, I knew people that would always be like. Oh American, Pieis, basically porkies, but if you watch last American Virgin, it actually has more in common with that movie, I think last American version is a lot of fasttimes. It's like the same class, telling a different story in the same school. There's definitely similarities, and I would I would almost like a hundred percent agree with you. If Lemon popscal didn't come out like two or three, oh, I think it's the Oth. I think it's the other way around. I think fast times pulled from letme, popsicl and yeah and just made a well apolished movie right. You know, like fast time fast times works on a bunch of different levels. It's more than a sex comedy it's more than a teen movie. It's it's just it's just classic excellent pick. I got to find that one I like finding the obscure cat in films- and I know I think we're pretty much done, but we could throw out a couple if you guys have 'em that we didn't throw out there. I thinki got teveron three that I I want to put into a category of movies that I think need to be remade. I could start that and tell me if you agree with this one invasion: U S A! That was my first pick and I and I actually love Invasiong. U S. IAT fights the entire Soviet army. I haven't seen the second half of it. I've gotten through the first half and then life got in the way and I didn't get to finish it and I don't believe it's on prime anymore, can I nowwitl it for you? You Go goight EAD shook north wind damning, it's all over, but N. I think that needs to be remade and h. There was a movie they mentioned in the Electric Boogaloo documentary called Joe that I think very interesting as a modern remake and very topical. There is a movie similar to that floating around Netflix. Now Um Soyouo, they named it fuck come on Wyou Lok you've never heard of it. They cahave no name for it. Why you're looking for that? The really fun part about invasion us a that? You don't see any more in movies is the mall that they destroyed and, like that whole housing, it was like a street of houses. They were bulldozing that to extend an airport runway, so cannn had like par blanche or if you've seen twenty two jump street. They had Cape Plant yhet where they could just destroy everything and that's fucking, awesome 'cause. Those were real explosions on real streets on real property that people have been in, they weren't sets. So that's pretty awesome. I think yeah yeah t the explosions and all the Piro stuff and the first half that I saw a Vation USA, we're all dopped notch. Well, they didn't have a second neighborhood. No, so there was no other neighborhoods in the second half of the movie that get destroyed Na. I I hear there was a shopping mall though yeah I I mentioned that okay! Well, I must've missed. Oh, you didn't see that gain. That's the part I missed sorry I've ruined it! Spoiler N. I don't think you can like if you're going to mention like chuck, Norse and Cannn, you almost have to mention the missing in action movies. Oh Yeah, you K Ow, they they're. If we're just GOIN, to talk about Mussee cannon movies, you Knombe Therenot, which would you say, is better missing an aobviously the the well because of the way they made them is really interesting. Like you know w they did not release them in the order that they shot them right. So I I guess, the second movie that they made, which I, which is just missing an action one, I guess, is the better movie. My wife's cousin is in missing an action, he's a he's. Actually, the POW that gets saved. My father's cousin is in police academy too, in the blue, oyster, Hes, N Ani. It's a Grean part. I CANTAC Cenema right there, yeah. If you go through all the movies see he did h missing an action one and two. I think these were all canned too. He did Firewalker Delta Force like a mentioned earlier, Bradic missing in action. Three, I think they did do. They do Adelta force too yeoaright. It's Adelta force too, and there as one other movie R to it here. Hero in the terror was another one that H in that one noris did d t Ere might have been a couple more. He did a lot of movies. He he did movies for Hem for like ten years yeah. Well, they they made him a houseold name pretty much. I thought that was done with the octagon and we haven't brought up any of the Imanuel movies that can't anlolt either yeah I mean I know: We've watched those a ton or Bulera, oh yeah. Well, I've only watched hem for about five minutes. Five minutes of a time yeah. The Happy Hooker movies are pretty interesting, but ha happy. Hooker wasn't Golban and Globus Right. That was before they. They Bou early days, Yeah Yeah Yeah. But you know another interesting one is runaway train. I don't know if yes seen that, actually that's a reon Voi was nominated for Oscar and that wet for every like shitty movie. They did some there's bright spots man, but nobody cared about that movie ecause. It was done by Cannon Yeah Y. exactly once you saw that logo come up on the screen and it makes sense, because you wouldn't expect, like asylum, to put out a Academy Award winning movie righ but see cannon put out such a wide array of movies. I mean they had the Chucknors, we're going to below everything up movies, and then they had time period pieces about. You Know Fourteenth Century France, which is interesting. There was other ones that people hated or not that they hated but th nobody cared about because it was cannon. Like John Frankenheimer did fifty two pickup, I think it was royshide, was yeah Bani Iari she might be and they yeah she is in that and that one never did good barfly with Micky rork yeah. That was their arthouse pictures. Barfly looks interesting. I want to see that doneaway. It looks like Shit, you know what you don't want to see New Year's evil. I I have seen New Year's evil. Thank you very much, Mr Micranger. You turned me onto that. One yeah that was the one I got through I didn't get. I didn't get a chance to get throg all of invasion of USA, but I did get through New Year's evil. If there's nothing, you could take out of this whole thing and you don't like cannon after all the Shit that we just talked about. Let me just leave you with this. There was a movie called smort Street in Nineteen. Eighty seven, and there was a package deal to get Christopher Reeve to do superman four. They had to do a Christopher, reev pet project. This started the whole downfall because they had to do this smart street movie, which they spent like five million bucks on they make Dick off of it, but it was a fairly decent movie. Of course, Superman for is a gigantic flop, but what they gave us and the guy had a career prior to this, but this made his career 'cause. I think he was actually had an Oscar nomination for a supporting role. I think- and this mightae been his first one. Morgan Freeman plays a fucking pimp in Smart Street. I got to see this. One is that this is pre lean on me tyes. This is like eighty, seven, okay, well so th. Without this, you wouldn't have a lean on me, which was eighty nine right, yeah nd. I can't believe we didn't bring up. You mentioned Superman. We didn't bring up supermand for quest for EA. I was hoping that W W I figured we cannot leave without mentioning supermanfor the movie, where Superman himself decides that it's a good idea to take away nuclear weapons. So smaller countries can't fucking defend themselves a good job, but he was going to defend everybody right. Butdidn'ye, take them from everybody, yeah everybody. They sent them in a space and created nuclear men, Yor jobs ofermen, who was a Fuckin Chippendale's dancer? Have you ever seen the coriograph fight scenes? I think it might be in the Blue Ray you probably find it on Utub, but the coriograph fight scenes between Christopher Reeve and a Chippendale's dancer are not good in production they're, even worse, 'cause Zaan sl, Oh my God in slow motion, and you just want to die it's Tan. Maybe that's why we didn't bring it up until now. It's not a good movie. No, it's it's! The worst Superman! I've ever seen, but you guys be the judge for yourselves check out the documentaries, there's a couple of hem there's the Gogo boys and electric Bogaloo H, which you can stream now on Netflix, but you be the judge, check out these movies. If you haven't seen them, you know you're going to be in for a good time, but unfortunately that's where we're going to have to end. This episode want to think our guests for this week, Mikeranger from the video rangers bodcast and Brandon from the red on you podcast, oh no, I was just thinking and I'm I'm just to go back for it for one quick. Second, How y you were saying that without that movie there there would be no lean on me or Mor. That would just be a shame because we all need someone to lean on. We do you want us to start singing we'll just retire, that joke on you mind we'll keep that in Tinoo know what you guys think of Canon films. If you like what we've done here tonight, let us know about it. You know maybe we'll do more episodes like this, but don't worry. Next week we are going to get right back to some more great duling decades. Competition. Now, if you've missed an episode, you can always check us out at dueling decades, dotcom and while you're there. You can also subscribe to our show on cassbox. You could subscribe to the show on Itunes as well. Go over to facebook, dot com forward, slash dueling decades. There you can join. Our private group continue the conversation online. Let us know what other topics you'd like us to explore. 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