Dueling Decades
March 31, 2021

The Monster Squad’s Andre Gower proves he’s got nards when he competes in this battle between 1977, 1986 & 1993!


We're back with a special episode of Dueling Decades! It's one thing to ask one of our celebrity guest judges to part with an hour or two of their lives to deal with the Dueling Decades crew. Trust us, that in itself is a serious undertaking. When Monster Squad's Andre Gower joined Dueling Decades back in November as a guest judge, he told the crew he wanted to come back to play the game. Andre wasn't just being polite, he ACTUALLY showed up to compete! With that, Andre brushed up on the Dewey decimal system, dusted off his encyclopedia Britannicas, and brought the very best he could muster, from April 1986! Coming off a crushing loss last week, Mancrush looks to rebound with his second offering of April 1993. Rounding out the competition, holding up a peace sign, and smoking a doobie, Marc James is back with a righteous April of 1977. Oh wow, I forgot to tell you who the judge was! Our good friend from the Great White North, the future producer of the show, Joe Findlay steps behind the bench, and does an amazing job!

 

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Now, for THIS episode, you may hear something about: a piece of electronic equipment you can use to anchor a schooner, Mancrush unearths an unopened 28-year-old gem, Hildegard teaches Andre to juggle, home renovations gone awry, MacTaggert drops the feather duster, stupid people in love, cucking for a million bucks, backlot basketball with Woody Allen, being late isn't always a bad thing, honeybees around the fruit cage invade MTV, iconic 80s music videos, psychotic stalkers named Darrian, Rivera goes primetime, what you'd probably watch if you only had four channels, an iconic band goes on its final ride, the midnight Barbarian debuts, a regional sports network gets extremely brutal, the cold war, Wolfman's got nards, double-dipping dates, sweaty coke parties, huge mouths, and who is all going to the Mahoning Drive-in next month? All that, and much, much more!

 

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Transcript

broadcasting from the podcast new york studios it's the adult-only retro game show where the decades battle for supremacy because it's your history we just fight for it welcome back to dueling decades i am mark james and this week we hop into april with a best of duel i will be representing april of 1997 alongside the other duelers and the decades they will be fighting for first off gagging you with a spoon full of the 90s say hello to man crush yeah what's up i have april of 1993 and for the first time ever this is the second time that i have april of 1993. the first time they were ever repeating a year and a month but everything's new also joining us on the panel and for the very first time ever a former guest judge returns to play our game so kick in the 80s right in the nards please welcome back to the show the amazing andre gower uh good uh good to be back this is different um i'm ready to rock and i have april of 1986. and i'll just let you know now the game is over because i have some good stuff and as always here on the show we need somebody to adjudicate all of this awesomeness listeners will know this week's judge as a show regular who once hijacked the delorean just to go back in time and [ __ ] slap jar jar binks he's the media king of the north all rise for judge joe finley it's sticking the media king of the north i couldn't be happier about that uh i i told my wife that you called me that and she's like oh you're gonna make that a thing aren't you and i'm like you're damn right i am so let's get it started tonight tattoo that's a tattoo across my entire chest i was thinking more [ __ ] stamp but i've no that space is already taken up i will not tell you with what ladies and gentlemen the following contest will be held under dueling decades rules the judge's coin flip shall decide who picks first out of the five dueling decades categories movies television music news and hot products a judge's ruling will determine who wins each round allowing the victor to choose the next available category the first three rounds are worth one point each with rounds four and five worth two points apiece and in the event of a tie after all five rounds we will go to a final wild card round remember duelers to review the show listen subscribe and play along at home it's time for more dueling decades so let's go right down to our judge joe finley for the coin toss all right well as uh astute listeners may know i've been judged one time before and i downloaded an app so i might flip a coin and i have that app with me today and i have a silver i have a dollar piece on there and you have john quincy adams as your heads the statue of liberty is tails so andre let's have you call it in the air it's in here of course tails because i am a rule-following contrarian i love it unfortunately the former president of the united states does not love it john quincy adams it is heads proceed that means man crush you win the coin toss this week you take control of the board and you get to select our first category all right let's kick things off hot with hot products let's go uh april 16th 1993. i'm gonna make this one quick because i want to get right to my big unveil here uh which is 30 years in the making or 28 years to be exact i'm sure most of us are aware even if you don't collect comic books that superman was killed by doomsday in late 1992 this was insanely massive at the time fans common folks alike were captivated by the death of superman uh but let's face facts we all knew you weren't gonna keep superman dead forever and even though this issue it's marked june of 1993 it actually hit shelves in april of 1993 and looking through the archives it looks like most places had adventures of superman number 500 on sale mid april 1993. the ad i have is april 16th so right around there uh but much like the death of superman which was a massive commercial success i think it sold like 7 million copies the return of superman equally popular whether people are comic book fans or not everyone was scooping up copies of this the place that i bought my comics from it back in the day it was this joint called tj's comics and cards and they couldn't even keep this in stock and they had a limit of two per person and i know that for a reason and i'll tell you that in a minute much like the death superman which came in the uh remember it was the black bag and it had like the bloody superman emblem yeah life after death came in a similar bag but this time it was in a white bag with the regular superman emblem much like this one right here so not only do i have the comic book i have the bag from tj's comics that i bought it in this was it's a superman shopping bag this is what they did back then and i have my two copies

and they're both pristine condition we're gonna go ahead and they have been open in uh 28 years so let's uh let's open one of these suckers up there was like a special like silver foil on one of the covers um let's see if i got that

all right tops open first time this thing is getting air dust is it the snyder cut of the comic yeah it's uh it's 900 pages it's encyclopedia right uh does not look like i have the silver cover but i still have one more left but it looks like it's in fantastic shape when i was uh researching this the other day oh look at that it's got a coneheads ad in it to show how dated this is you're actually you were not supposed to keep these in the plastic covers you were supposed to open them up from what i read online i don't know how true this is because this looks like it's in pretty pristine condition uh that without getting air i don't know the cover would deteriorate or something but it looks okay yeah there it is it's in great condition yeah yeah my uh adventures superhand number 500 superman's back and now there's like four of them or some [ __ ] but this is uh this is where it's at and one of them was shaquille o'neal wow man crush i'm so glad you went to the comics rack because for my hot product we're going to give the old comics rack a spin in 1977 and we're going to land on x-men number 104 you know this is actually a landmark issue where we see the all-new all different x-men lineup now they were previously assembled in giant size x-men number one by legendary writer chris claremont this time they face off against a villain who has not been seen since defenders number 16 all the way back in 1974 when he was accidentally turned into a baby by another mutant he created so in april of 1977 the new x-men consisting of cyclops storm wolverine nightcrawler colossus and banshee find themselves at moore mctaggart's research island when they are attacked and met by their greatest foe and he says greetings x-men i bid you welcome to the site of your final battleground you are going to die here mutants in nether europe in neither your powers nor your skills can save you from my wrath look upon me x-men for i am your oldest deadliest foe master of the legion of evil mutants and soon to be lord of all the world i am magneto this marks the return of magneto in the first time the new x-men lineup would face off against them in this issue we have the first appearance of the sr-71 blackbird the famous uh vehicle of the x-men and then it's also the debut of lalondra who is literally the woman of professor x's dreams and the big one here for me is the debut of the star jammers and their leader corsair who would later be revealed as cyclops's father now the star jammers if you're not familiar with them they're kind of like the guardians of the galaxy mashed up with ice pirates and their leader corsair is their swash is their swashbuckling space pirate leader he is absolutely fantastic overall this is just a great issue it starts off a great storyline for magneto and the x-men and it gives us the introduction introduction to some great new characters that later on are going to have a major impact on the marvel universe so that's my pick for hot products it is x-men number 104 april 1977.

all right andre gower we're gonna toss it over to you what is your pick for the hot products round well i'm gonna go um dorky in a different route uh no comic books for me in 86 uh i am going to go more tech pathway very nice and with the introduction of ibm's first quote-unquote laptop the ibm pc convertible which was technically released in april of 1986 um it it ran on doss 56 and a couple of the highlights is uh it was the first laptop computer made by ibm uh first sold in april of 86 like i mentioned uh it was the first laptop style computer uh following the luggable ibm portable which was more like a briefcase like that big luggage type thing that you i don't i don't even remember seeing any best full businessman walking around with that no this one maybe but it was still so big they just put it on their desk and left it there right it uh some of it's uh and what it did is this computer introduced the three and a half inch floppy disk oh man so that was kind of cool uh to the ibm to theirs uh uh its key feature was that it had power management and the ability to run on batteries which uh they hadn't had before i don't believe minutes that's right like some you know that crappy flip up lcd screen and you know a giant full keyboard and uh like a like a a mini briefcase type plastic housing uh it wasn't i was trying to get some uh it weighed 13 pounds i see you work out with it that's right you just well that's why it had the handle so you guys trying to do some curls and you know something like some deltoid flies and things like that working on your chest at the airport that's right he's like sir what are you doing you're like trust me it's my it's my cardio um and that's you know it really wasn't received well because it was a poor value for its money because other competitors uh mostly made in japan had more features uh you know i guess for what everybody wanted there you were either you know typing out a letter that you could print on your ibm dot matrix printer or you were playing oregon trail or something i don't know i don't know but that was a cool time i mean look technology changes so vastly every year and these were kind of some predecessors of some rad stuff for sure man that how much did that cost did you have a price on that one uh it i think it re it ranged because i think you could add a became kind of pretty base i did i couldn't find a price anymore anywhere um if i just talked about it wasn't worth the price for you it was probably like five grand or something like that oh you know what no i'm sorry i did find it i did that was on my other notes hold on hold on i think it's right here on my scratch pad um where'd it go yeah i think it was two thousand dollars holy [ __ ] wow yeah i guess i could be wrong but i wrote down two thousand cause i think that was so weird yeah i don't know it's like five grand today yeah i know that wasn't worth it insane so someone could fact check me on the price but i did write that down when i found it somewhere weird either in an ad on an old newspaper or an obscure kind of tech magazine article but yeah so i'm going on hot products for april of 86 the ibm pc convertible ibm's first laptop very nice man great job and that's why i started with hot products i was like let's see what he's got we'll go hot products the hardest round my [ __ ] only gets better from here man yeah it's get hot products out of the way all right all right let's kick it up to judge joe finley for the ruling on the hunt products round all right well i'm not gonna suck up right off the bat just because i'm a fan of him but i do uh commend andre for coming in this is a tough thing to do i remember my first time doing this uh this format of the show and it's hard as hell and so to uh to jump in like god bless you but uh he barely asked me any questions i mean i sent him multiple emails like dude you okay like you need any help hopefully he's not got it man i'm good to go so hey good job bro yeah and i'll tell you and i'll tell you i screwed up once i actually uh instead of hot products or i picked sports or something like that and i had to like on the fly come up with one man crush was like no no that's not it i'm like oh [ __ ] i had to hit but uh so no my hat's off to you uh it's a good product i've got to start though by comparing the comic books whenever you got two things similar it's best to just kick one of you [ __ ] out um two big comic books uh obviously the uh the x-men one was a big deal it was a new lineup it was a return of a major character i was an introduction to uh the jet like you said which is a major thing uh it's really interesting that you bring up the star jammers because uh my co-host todd murray it was just in the midst of re-watching the x-men animated series on disney plus and the star jammers appear in one of the story lines on there and his first thing was i feel like james gunn just watched this and then made guardians of the galaxy yeah there's a lot that's just straight from the law that's similar but this is gonna be the only time you're going to hear me pick dc over marvel it's the significance of the return of superman is just too big uh throw in the fact that when you're when you're talking about a hot product the person pitching it owns the product doesn't just own one owns two two baby there's only one collector's item i own two of and it's actually the um the star wars forced awakens uh vinyl soundtrack because they carved in a hologram so that when you watch when you play the record when you turn when you spin it you see a hologram of a ship going above it and it's really cool so my wife bought me one that i could open and use and one that i could keep sealed so i know the importance of a collector's item like that and you opened it for us uh so i'm going to eliminate the x-men right now and then to go between uh superman and the computer i mean the computer's cool the introduction of the floppy disk is great but this man prefers a hard drive so i'm still going to go with superman he might not be able to see through that laptop but if he dropped that laptop on superman it would kill him it might it might it could it could at least hurt him i mean you know the one thing that was pretty cool that i saw in these articles when i was going through newspapers.com uh all about this because there was a lot of stuff about the death and you know his return this actually put dc ahead of marvel for a little bit i mean obviously it didn't last that long because superman wasn't even a top like 10 comic at the time but the market share shifted from 28 towards dc to 27 towards marvel for that one six month period and it was basically all because of you know soups so it was uh it was pretty cool and you know the other thing is everyone bought these and we had multiple copies because everyone thought oh man in 30 years this thing's going to be worth hundreds of dollars and i'm going to put my kids through college yeah it's hundreds of dollars well i mean depending on how many you bought i suppose but uh yeah this one right here i looked it up on uh on ebay it's like ten bucks five ten bucks and if you have the silver one it's obviously a lot more the whatever the hell it is the special edition one that was only in some of these envelopes but i do not have that maybe it's in my other one maybe i'll i'll open that by the end of the show all right man crush you pick up the very first point but more importantly you take control of the board what category are we going with next all right this is a weird spot to pick this but we're gonna go movies in round two uh we're gonna go to april 7th 1993. this movie right here it was not up my alley in 1993 and you'll see why in a minute however this was like the talk of the town in the spring of 1993 and that's because there was a particular serious premise that surrounds this movie and honestly i am glad that i never watched this movie when it came out because i totally wouldn't have cared about the premise as a ninth grader at all and honestly like i i would have you know i probably only would have been in this movie for the nudity i'll be honest that's the only reason i probably would have liked it but our favorite movie experts of yesteryear were split on this one roger ebert he uh he actually gave us flick a thumbs up so take that for what it is if they both had given this a thumbs up we'd probably think it was [ __ ] so the fact that they were split on this one we might have something here and i watched this movie last night for the first time in my life and as a married 43 year old actually i'm still 42 for a couple of weeks but we'll we'll give it oh i'm 43. almost uh but it kind of hits home uh you know and i went in thinking that this was probably uh it was gonna bore me but i was actually pretty enthralled i watched the entire thing and i was like holy [ __ ] it's not bad at the box office's movie it absolutely cleaned up for a drama this movie brought in 267 million dollars worldwide which is nearly half a billion dollars in 2021 and it took home the coveted best kiss at the mtv music awards so you know this shit's good uh but on the flip side it also won three razzies which i honestly i feel like they weren't warranted but they got worse picture worse screenplay and worse supporting actor i mean i sometimes i think they just do it just to get some press uh because it doesn't make sense uh this is one of the first times we get to see woody harrelson play a serious starring role in a movie uh you know i know he's in white men can't jump but it's a little bit more serious than that yeah robert redford is exactly what you'd expect of an amazing actor and then you have demi moore who's absolutely stunning in this movie stun like gorgeous uh in the 80s i thought demi was all right but damn she is hot in this movie there were a lot of names that were associated with her role they had nicole kidman andy mcdowell and even julia roberts uh was uh was in the running for this one woody was like the 40th choice for the role uh they initially offered this one to john cusack charlie sheen and tom cruise the three of them turned that down and then it was also rumored val kilmer johnny depp and tim robbins but that's it i think they nailed this one in casting so if you're in the movie or if you're in the mood for a movie that's it's based on a book about billionaires who get whatever they want you got topless demi moore woody as a miserable cuckold billy bob thornton playing a jobber bizarre cameos by billy connolly and rip thorn porn star randy west playing robert redford unnecessary lipstick smearing a remake that was snuffed because of the metoo movement and the age-old question would you let your wife have sex with an old billionaire for a million bucks if you do then go do yourself a solid and go check out indecent proposal wow wow yeah

i was more of a honeymoon in vegas type of guy than a decent proposal but yeah when was the last time you watched i never watched it and i like i think everybody's i'm looking at your reactions in the movie that was mine going into this because i already i did this once before i had 1993 april 93 and i had a totally different movie that i loved so going into this one this wasn't exactly the movie that i would typically pick right uh but watching it i was like i i kind of felt for woody harrelson in this movie it's it's pretty [ __ ] it's not bad it's a good movie well man crush you know you picked a movie you wouldn't typically normal normally pick i kind of did the same thing so we're gonna go over to the tampa tribune april 28 1977 and we get this nice big ad just above the fold that says saturday in tampa at eight o'clock you can see the next big smash comedy before they see it in new york los angeles london paris rome or anywhere else in the world special hollywood preview and big bold letters alright so let's go over to the next day's newspaper where an article read sneak preview misleading a spokesperson for united artists confirmed yesterday that an advertisement placed in the tribune promoting an exclusive special hollywood preview was a little misleading the ad which ran in yesterday's part four told readers that they would be seeing the film prior to its release in new york los angeles london paris rome or anywhere else in the world the film is woody allen's latest release annie hall also starring diane keaton and tony roberts the united artist spokesperson yesterday said the film had already grossed nearly half a million in its first seven days since its actual world premiere on april 20th annie hall was originally scheduled to be released may 6 the spokesperson said but in anticipation of that opening ua launched an ad campaign that would permit a number of sneak previews across the country across the country including in the tampa area however after the advertising copy was prepared and placed in newspapers across the country executive news moved up executives moved up the national premiere the spokesperson said the advertising campaign could not be revamped in time and thus a number of misleading advertisements about the sneak preview could were placed so i'm only picturing the guy who went and saw annie hall and he's like god that movie sucked all right next week man there is a special preview this is gonna be great he goes he sits in the theater lights go down camera rolls it's [ __ ] annie hall again son of a [ __ ]

well annie hall would go on to earn a little bit more than the half a million it started off with grossing 36 million worldwide but annie hall's success was never really based on dollars the film would win four academy awards including best picture and become one of the best love comedies of all time and his 2002 book roger ebert added it to his great movies list and commented with surprise that it has an instant familiarity despite uh its age so i give you annie hall april 20th 1977. i like how we both brought like romance movies which

all right let's go over to andre gower for the movies round uh i had two to pick from uh going up against indecent proposal wow and going up against um what was your crappy movie mark oh yeah um

uh both are very hard to get like to get through for different reasons yeah in this personal opinions yeah uh i remember indecent proposals that was the tough that was a tough time it's a tough watch but not because it's a bad movie because no no no it's a well done movie that's why it makes you feel is just really it's a gut punch it's a gut punch it is and you don't feel torn you feel gut punch because they make the wrong decision yes and uh but you know i guess a million dollars wins every time uh but now i think a million dollars means something different like if you had this movie today and it was some young super attractive girl walking around vegas with her doofus surfer boyfriend and elon musk came up to the craps table and said uh i'll give you a million dollars that tick tock influencer kind of really attractive girl would be like i made a million dollars last month dude

and how about 10 million i didn't have to get icky with you so the you know the tech billionaire would really have to up the game um annie hall can't be updated just people walking around being annoying that they're never going to get together it's just total wish fulfillment of people that just shouldn't know one another um with that said i'm going campy funny kind of other route because uh this isn't a giveaway this is not my wild card helper but i didn't have a lot of choices you know april's a tough month yeah you know it's uh unless it's an easter weekend kind of released or something but they you know they wait for the big ones for july four memorial day july 4th going into the summer you know with big with big blockbusters and 86 was a giant year for movies uh only to be topped by 87 you know no no bias there at all because our movie bombed but um you know 86 had top gun i got a lot of lot of crazy huge movies but april it had like critters and it had the money pit which i have because of numbers and star quality names i have to go with the money pit so money pit uh apparently had a 10 million dollar budget um it did five and a half million on its opening weekend which technically isn't bad i get that gets you at least one more weekend in the theaters apparently uh and it made 55 million worldwide in in its opening month so that that's pretty good when you have um the the cast that you had which is phenomenal but not necessarily as established as they are kind of today namely being tom hanks um who makes whatever movie he does so much better maybe he should have been an annie hall

yeah because peter scalari who is one of my favorite human beings was the other one yeah so i think he was buffy he was buffy and peter was hildegard which was a hilarious show and launched a career and ironically come if we're on a bosom buddies tangent here fellas uh because i i don't have a lot to back up money pit so let's go with this for a second um uh peter scalari who is he's learning starred with tom hanks and bosom buddies of course hit show when that show got cancelled guess who out of those two if it's not obvious now with the leading question uh got his own network show as a leading man right after bozom buddies ended was not tom hex it was peter scalari uh peter scaleri did a show uh i believe it was abc called uh baby makes five about a young accountant and his young attractive wife they already had three kids and she's pregnant and lo and behold in at the end of the pilot she has twins hence the name baby makes five uh that is a deep ass cut right there oh it gets deeper hang on a fella hang on a minute fellas uh i mentioned they had uh three existing kids before the twins surprise arrival uh and he's just this harried kind of uh you know working journeyman accountant uh but the way they spiced the show up is they had two great character actors um priscilla morell and blanche uh not blan oh i'm thinking i'm thinking of the other grandmother's name two polar opposites mom was like like a swinger clubbing grandma and the other one was the you know sit and knit you know hats on the on the sofa they were fantastic at odds with each other uh and then they brought in great recurring roles with like uh eugene roach and um joe regalto because joe reguluto was a new york theater buddy of peter scalaris and he brought his buddy in as a guest spot and did one of my favorite kind of scenes in any show ever because he's always having it's almost like chevy chase on snl he's kind of having always sexy talk on the telephone at his desk and he hangs up and you know peter's always living vicari peter's character is always living vicariously through him he's like who is that some new date he's like no that was my cleaning lady and um so it was just hilarious and then joe reguluto shortly after baby makes five only went one mid place in room season mid placement mid season replacement season uh jumped on murphy brown and became joe rigobuto so this was a launching pad for that uh i did mention the three other kids the younger daughter was brandy gold who was obviously missy and tracy gold's younger sister and my agent's youngest daughter uh at the time uh the middle sister was none other than the redhead uh awesome force of jenny lewis who was a big rock star now and uh the 10 year old son was of course me that's awesome i was like i was like how that would you read his autobiography like of this obscure show that no one knows no i i was there uh but what was cool about that is um you know his buddy hanks and all these other cool actors you know would would come by and and hang because peter's on a huge network show and no one else is they're all working actors or starving actors and uh but this was a great experience for me because peter was you know he's a performer and kind of a circusy guy and he's a he's a master juggler and that's how i know how to juggle because peter sclary taught me on that show and we used to warm up the audience and perform during breaks and peter because of that show was the reason i got to do the show circus of the stars twice because he brought me over there to that and um we we got to do that so that was pretty cool now back to my so i'm hoping to sway the judges with that awesome background tangential story because the money pit sucks

but you know with with the you know i mentioned the cast you know with tom hanks uh shelley long you got maureen stapleton uh joe mantegna's in it uh and you know a bunch of other characters um but not to be overshadowed you always have a winner movie if you have yakov smirnoff in it so this is what puts money pit over the top um and i think it just goes if you go back and watch money pit shelly long huge at the time you know big tv you know tv career starting with you know everything else but you know obviously cheers and then tom hanks they were a great duo yeah and um you know money pit you know when you're we're all kids when money pit came out so it didn't really make sense we just thought why would you buy a shitty house yeah you know like yeah but then you grow up and you buy houses and you're like ah you gotta see i can't watch money pit for the same reason man crush can't watch indecent that's what i was just gonna say they completely tie together because like when you watch that as a kid you're like who gives a [ __ ] but when you watch it as an adult both those movies you get punched in the gut because you everyone's you're like oh man that's tough like what do you do that's right and with with money pit personally uh i had more of a successful uh venture but i bought and gutted and renovated a house on my own as well so i feel the pain but uh i had i had a much better outcome with it than uh than they did and i didn't have a tub fall through the you know knock on wood but i did i i did the only way i could get the existing old 90s jacuzzi tub out of the master bath is i had to chop it up with a sawzall into pieces so that's fun there you go all right joe finley let's kick it up to you for the ruling on the movies round wow it's actually a really tough one um they are all coming from really different uh standpoints like like ver they're all very different movies

yeah yeah okay fair enough uh but annie hall is one of those ones that people always look back on as a classic i've never really got woody allen and it's only aged poorly thanks to you know the things we know but uh i don't know he's one of those guys where it's like you know you see a movie and it's like the really weird looking guy with the really hot girl and you're like why are we doing this we can't let's not all leans well anything with that uh well that was a huge early 2000s trope i mean look according to jim king a queen it was a thing oh absolutely and it just happens over and over again and i'm just like i don't get it and i mean his humor was never my humor with the exception of bananas which i really enjoyed um so great okay annie hall uh sorry um i would say like from classic perspective he brings the biggest movie uh but i just didn't care uh and uh then you look at indecent proposal uh i think that people more people probably know indecent proposal as the reference that other people are using in their own movies then they even are aware of the movie they're like oh this is an indecent proposal situation that's going on or whatever and not even clicking into the fact that it is uh this movie that they're talking about not everybody but it's it's a thing as well moneypet i loved it is full of again it's full of these like kind of iconic comedy people whatever and tom hanks is amazing and this is before he just skyrocketed to the moon uh it's a movie i've seen of all of them it's the one i've seen the most but again it doesn't maybe have the legs so what i have to do is i have to

i have to go with the movie that i am taken back to the most and that would be through that reference and i'm gonna have to go with indecent proposal on it because it's like of all the people too like and uh of all the movies that you know made that reference or spoof that bit uh one of them was a woody harrelson movie kingpin when chris elliot does the indecent proposal and uh it hurts me a lot because i know that my wife would take that deal for a 15 off uh coupon at bed bath and beyond but uh yeah that's what i got to go with dude you know i it is a much bitter better movie than the other two but you know you're only we're hamstrung by the month that we get right that's the tough thing man you got the cards you're dealt now now joe does it sway uh voting for me in the future uh if i bring a woody harrelson story up um that sort of ties in uh with his time on cheers which was shot on the paramount lot while i was shooting a show called mr president right down the street on the paramount lot i was on stage 19 which used to be the happy days stage which happened to be right next to webster but at lunch if you've ever been to the paramount lot behind the big like fake sky kind of uh mural wall is like a storage area and there's this huge pretty well made half court basketball court and me being a basketball player of course we used to play uh at lunchtime and i would play almost daily uh three on three with woody harrelson who wants is this not uh does this not do i get my do i get do i get do i win yes yeah i'm putting all the points on the board all i've got is all i've got is stories except for my next stuff my next stuff is pretty good you're gonna it's gonna be hard to compete with my next stop i'm i'm gonna be honest that one i mean given my mood i could have gone anyway on any one of those because like i said annie hall is definitely the most classic of it i would say that of the three movies my the one i enjoy to watch the most is money pit but then it's just that you know that reference worthy it's uh you know what manchester says all the time it's got legs baby yeah and i mean it's a tough and it's got redford i mean which you know this one dude this was sort of shortly before he started phoning it in even though he was still good yeah yeah i mean he had hackers then he had this and then kind of just didn't i i can't even remember i mean sneakers sneakers yeah sneakers oh such a good movie i love sneakers i always like doing everything lions for lambs again you could kind of tell he was phoning that one and it's still on like he's he's he's kicking the crap out of everybody in this movie yeah he's he's amazing and before we get to the next round seven degrees of uh andre gower i just mixed i just missed this one uh march 31st of 1993 they recorded the final episode of cheers where shelly long came back for that and i read this whole article because it was actually the article was released in mid-april so i was i had to keep digging to find out when they actually filmed this and it was the last day so it was completely out but what you're saying is that's not your tv choice because no i don't know no no it's not it's not my tv choice but it was they were saying it was very ho-hum uh nobody was very like uh you know i don't know is touchy feely nah not touchy-feely they just they weren't very uh like loving to one another according to all the articles they just didn't give a [ __ ] they were like oh yeah no i bet by that time i think there were so many big uh uh i don't say egos but big uh orbits you know a lot of gravity with individual you know celestial beings but by the time that show uh ended including probably woody but even all the other you know george went and and um john ratzenberger and and ria pearlman and all that who we used again we would see each other all the time at lunch like in the in the commissary and stuff and i remember the first time i ever met danny devito you know i'm 14 years old doing a tv show and i've never been tall uh and i turned around and i was like who is this guy standing but who's this guy as danny devito and rio pearlman and their kid i was like who's in the stroller is that danny's like wait a minute and uh so it was butchers was a huge show and ironically again my tangential stories is all i have here folks uh but when i was doing that show mr president uh it starred george c scott who would come to television for the first time ever and the show was produced by johnny carson and ed weinberger who was one of the biggest names in television and george c scott i guess his uh you know his uh openness to do television was just i'll do i'll do television if i'm the highest paid actor ever in the history of television and he got something like 550 000 an episode for this new sitcom on fox and ted danson was three stages down the road and went wait a minute i just won all the awards for my show i want a [ __ ] million dollars and that's when ted i think that's when ted danson started getting a million dollars an episode insane and now books yeah i mean a million dollars a week was a huge number back then yeah all right man crush it yeah like i wouldn't yeah for you maybe unless you're on tick tock all right sorry mark all right man crush you pick up two points heading into the last one point round uh what category are we going with next all right with all that television talk uh let's go music

let's go april 20th mark's favorite day of 1993 and uh you know this album it has a soft spot for me because uh the band's tour and support of this album was the first concert that i ever attended sans parents so it really stands out for me uh almost every morning that i attended high school a little story how i got these i was late nearly late like every day every damn morning i would be waiting in my kitchen for my friend to come pick me up this dude lived on the block right next to mine but he was late every [ __ ] day so after a while i i caught on to the fact that our local radio station was always doing giveaways around like 7 30 in the morning which happened to be the time that most kids were in school already or on their way to school so since i was sitting in my kitchen like a jerk off waiting for show up i would listen to wrv which is my local 92.7 and i would wait for these contests and think about it half their listeners in that demographic were busy doing something else so i was right there to win whatever contest they had in the morning caller number nine [ __ ] no problem i i probably won over a dozen cds from them and i won concert tickets to this tour being late sucks but it worked for me so uh this album right here it was the band's 11th studio album uh it was their first album in four years uh the album would go on to sell 20 million copies worldwide it went seven times platinum in the united states it had the first ever digital download uh it was from an only unreleased track called the head first which i think was a brent selection hand from hysteria 51 i think yeah i think last year it might have been the episode with uh with rhonda shear on it he talked about that right there but it this album also featured seven singles seven seven six how many albums do you know with seven singles not many not me i don't either uh but surprisingly none of those seven singles would hit number one on the billboard hot 100 however most of these they would land around the top 20 and they absolutely lived on mtv and let's face facts i mean at this point in the decade mtv was way more important than the billboards were if you dominated say like dial mtv you were played all day every day and these songs did just that and not only were the songs catchy but the videos were also like mini movies so you had uh living on the edge with ed furlong eat the rich crying with alicia silverstone amazing with alicia silverstone again and uh jason london was in that one at two i think and then crazy which featured steven tyler's daughter liv tyler and alicia [ __ ] silverstone again uh and i mean by now i'm sure everyone has figured this one out it's get a grip by aerosmith do you guys remember how much they dominated the mtv airways and it's it's weird because you had the grunge era like 90 through 92 early 93 and then aerosmith just [ __ ] killed it for like a year yeah that's where we stopped liking aerosmith you just kind of got i got burnt out there they saturated at the airwaves they saturated mtv they were in cameos and movies they were on saturday night live everywhere it's amazing

but yeah that's what i got it's get a grip not bad you can't you can't go wrong with liv tyler and alicia dilberson so it's uh at multiple times so

my friend i think she's absolutely celestial you know back in back in you know now but even even even more so back then but i think they were playing on there was a theme going on at that time um and alicia silverstone was a little bit more um down to earth homey girl next door even though you know you know uh being you know in clueless was you know was airheady but because she was in a ton of videos not just everybody else including aerosmith videos but everything else as well uh but it was this kind of maybe over sexualization of actually really young girls right but they're so beautiful that you almost give it a pass but it wasn't geared towards the adults at the time but live tyler because the other one that they really kind of is so striking when you see them on camera like uh like a young mila jovovich was absolutely stunning uh and she's in two moon junction you're like what who's what is happening here uh so that was just sort of like indicative of that time you know what's weird too about the alicia silverstone thing sorry mark the um she emancipated from her parents at 15. smart so she didn't have to uh go by the child labor laws and and all that kind of [ __ ] so she was in everything at 15 16 years old i mean this is aerosmith we're talking about here steven tyler did get the parents to basically sign over for their 14 year old daughter to stephen tyler so we could take her on the road with her so

is that allegedly or do we need to use allegedly let's use it anyway let's use allegedly

all right gentlemen my music pick is a tour now it's actually a tour that was set to start on february 27th in fort worth texas but the tour was delayed due to the singer contracting laryngitis so fortunately for me led zeppelin's monumental 1977 tour of america began april 1st 1977 at the dallas memorial auditorium where according to ads and posters you could pick up a ticket to this show for the low low price of seven dollars and 50 cents now if you wanted the premium seats though you gotta be prepared to shell out upwards of nine dollars and fifty cents so we'll turn it over to kaleidoscope guest reviewer doug pullen for a local review the spotlight hit jimmy page his arms extended warmly into the recent sold out dallas crowd as if he wanted to embrace each and every member of it as paige in the rest of his group drummer john bonham bassist john paul jones and vocalist robert plant took the stage the predominantly adolescent crowd went wild quickly led zeppelin was kicking off the first its first american tour in over two years with a feverish version of the song remains the same in april of 1977 the tour would roll through most of the midwest ending uh ending the month of april at the pontiac silverdome now for a show that at the time was the largest audience ever for a single act rock show so uh the world tour would actually the tour would actually be cut short unfortunately and come to an end july 24th when robert plant's five-year-old son died of a stomach illness now the song all of my love is actually written as a tribute to his son so that's my pick for april april music of 1977 the start of the final united states tour for led zeppelin why is it that every time led zeppelin comes up on the show it's something horrible yeah i mean not the tour but the fact that you had to bring up his five-year-old son dying and i think every other time that they've come up it's like the uh you know john bottom dying in 80 and then uh the awful live eight appearance i think was the other time that they've come in this tour this 77 tour was just plagued with problems from start to finish so you could actually do a whole episode just on the 77 tour which we might do when we start well actually our patreon is started once we get 50 people on that patreon i'm going to drop a little spot here we will start that grimy 70s show where we were go in depth on some [ __ ] up [ __ ] from the 70s because there's a lot of it yeah like annie hall all right let's toss it down to andre gower for the music round okay so for music you guys picked man crush you started out with a tour but it was really about the album you get a gr with uh aerosmith um and uh mark's about a tour you know because that's how we experience music and that's the way everybody wants to go and listen to these rad bands or these artists is here live performances but man crush you made a good point uh even in 93 especially in 93 that if you were big on mtv uh you that's where it was at the time for a long for a longer and then mtv stopped showing music and they started building houses or some [ __ ] um but i mean at least it was vanilla ice but um

it's this is i i think this is an obvious no-brainer um one of my all-time favorite songs personally but it was also released in my birthday month of 1986. that's not my birthday year that's just my birthday month um and so i will i will tease into we all we all know what it is um you know uh in april of 86 song released by english rock musician peter gabriel uh it was uh released as the lead single from his fifth studio album so on 21st of april which happens to be my sister's birthday mine's the 27th in case anybody wants to send me 100 uh it was um quickly it quickly reached number one in canada uh it reached number one on the billboard hot 100 charge in the united states and number four oddly being a native we went to number four the uk uh singles charts uh mostly thanks to the popularity and the world crushing attention that the music video got which of course is sledgehammer

so when sledgehammer came out everybody's mind was blown we all record you know we all set our vcrs on you know either friday afternoon to catch richard blade on vh1 or saturday afternoons we know we'd maybe get sledgehammer on mtv and um the thing about it obviously it's the song the album you know kind of did okay but this song was just galactic i mean the song went because it's a good song but the video just blew everybody's mind and it won nine mtv video music awards which is still the most all time of any single video uh won the best british video uh the next year and was nominated for three grammys including best male rock performance record of the year and song of the year uh but again all of the attention is really on the video and the visual representation that they did with all the uh pixelation stop motion and claymation uh with of of peter gabriel's uh apparently he was under a sheet of glass for like 16 hours while they did all the other stop motion on top of him and then cut all that together with uh you know all the technology and and maybe an ibm you know pc convertible super computer but uh it it's considered um number four on mtv's 100 greatest music videos ever made uh it's also been declared mtv's number one animated video of all time and there's been quite a few animated videos because it's a great way to you know express kind of some uh media there it just i mean you almost don't even need the stats but something that's really cool is in that year it was uh nominated for british single of the year it won british video of the year again it's gonna be all videos it was nominated for three grammys didn't win any of it but it won all those nine mtv video music awards which were uh best editing best art direction best visual effects best direction best overall performance most experimental video best concept video best mail video and of course video of the year but what's also rad is that it was nominated for best video of the year at the soul train music awards which means the video everybody liked sure yeah so it's uh in it it peaked as a song at number one uh you know like i said very quickly on let's say just called us billboard but like you said man crush you know if you're on mtv killing it billboard doesn't really matter except for that helps with sales and you know radio play but this thing was crushing it everywhere uh you know and so it went on uh you know to number one at three or four different us billboard charts all at the same time so my music choice uh from the album so is peter gabriel's sledgehammer oh

swing down that gavel just like a sledgehammer on the music round all right well uh another great round guys uh again breaks down to a giant band a giant album and a giant song and so i mean i look at all of the things obviously the uh the led zeppelin tour being the final tour having that death being delayed all sorts of stuff uh with that tour is um it's a crazy story in and of itself uh get a grip uh that hit me right at the right time i was just going into high school uh no not quite even uh but it was i wait how old are you joe i don't know so what you what's your year again you're not 93 99.93 okay yeah so it was just before i went to high school i'm 39 um so i i remember hearing that song all the time or the songs on that thing all the time i eat the rich still slaps it's a great way to start out that album and i heard so much just i heard so much aerosmith in that period because like you said they were all over the things i don't get uh mtv i've got much music but they were all over that too uh and you know uh alicia and liv changed my life uh but uh he got carpal tunnel that year yeah it was a it was a rough year but but i was i got carpal tunnel playing revolution x the uh sure aerosmith gun game where when you lost he said don't give a hat oh man i forgot that uh so i mean that album is fantastic but i have to give it to innovation and that music video is insane for the time i mean like it's it's one of those things where looking back on it like you could get one of your kids to watch it and they'd be like oh my god this thing sucks and you're like no you don't understand it's like showing them pong right you're like no do you know what this may like everything you like is because this had to exist uh so i've got to give it to sledgehammer i i can't fault you on that i i think like especially in 1986 so you had what five years of mtv at that point and what videos stood out not the songs but the videos what what video stood out during that period besides thriller yeah and that's the other one you think of is sledgehammer yeah i think i think there's three one thriller because it was a mini movie you know with the extended yep you know and they sold this [ __ ] right and you know it had creature effects and you know it was you know then the album was huge obviously um and and then sledgehammer but wedged in between there and sledgehammers really actually just camera tech with pixelation little animation and claymation was it was mostly kind of the stop moves a lot of stuff going on which was certainly innovative but just more kind of creative and time consuming but remember when everybody lost their minds over money for nothing by dire streets all computer generated and people were they're like oh my god the computers are taking over like oh like it's all over look how awesome this is but you know joe you made a point it's like you watch kids see a you know a computer generated image then doing money for nothing it's so bad i just did that you know the guy just gets up out of the chair and it's just it's so simple like like there's three-year-olds on an ipad right now that have better kind of animated animation skills than money for nothing but that's a great song too because dire trace was a great band but uh yeah i agree good choice uh sledgehammer was absolutely uh it was game it was game changing yeah for sure and then genesis had a great video too i'm sorry oh yeah with uh land of confusion was [ __ ] dead and that was killer yeah his ex-band oh yeah those guys all right andre you pick up a point heading into our first two point rounds what category are we going with next oh i get to pick huh all right well i think i'm gonna i'm i know what to do here um no i'm gonna play strategy um yes tv all right let's go with tv okay oh i go first since i pick yeah honestly there's i really don't have a lot to say about this because there wasn't a lot that opened in you know tv stuff where someone comes out because it's a weird time so you're either going with movies of the week or like a special or some sort of interesting kind of syndicated produced thing and that's really all your choices and i almost went with um return to mayberry which was you know they brought back a tv movie for andy griffith the show which probably could have stand stood alone as my choice because it brought back 16 original cast members and it was the highest grossing or highest rated tv movie of 1986 for all the networks which there was only three which were only three um but that was on nbc even though and i love it i love the andy griffith show uh you know one of the original og kids you know former childhood stars being ron howard can you uh can you whistle the theme song

um and if you don't know mayberry is actually a fictional town of course on like the universal lot but uh it's uh formed after a town in mid north north carolina called mount airy off of highway 77 uh by um uh in andy griffith who's from north carolina and mount areas kind of rhymes with mayberry and that's right have you ever been to mount airy i have been i've been to mount airy i usually i've i've lived in north carolina for 20 something years you know not too far from where i live and mount mount airy's awesome man do you guys know the uh the beautiful mount airy lodge

sorry we got on mayberry that's weird sorry weird tangent again uh but that was the only one with kind of some history and some coolness to it my actual choice i think needs no like explanation because it was probably the most hyped thing ever on television that had the most disappointing conclusion and that was geraldo rivera's opening of al capone's vote

which is that has come up on the show before but it wasn't in a year battle it was uh it was a genre thing right and uh they did find some boxes in a dusty room that's right and some broken wine bottles but you're 100 right there's not much to say about it there's there's there was watch what that was the highest rated thing on television i think of all of 1986. it absolutely was that's its only accolade because it was so hyped for weeks but what i don't get is like because it was sort of supposed to be live right and it was a whole lot big and i don't know if it was truly live or it was a little [ __ ] like the original reality tv like they know what's in there but i think they probably would have planted something at least you know like a pair of underwear like a pair of underwear or something we're like yeah a skull or something but there's nothing in there so it might have been live because at one point jerry rivers was an actual journalist and you know would cover some good stuff so i think they were doing it the you know the kind of journalistic way and break through the brick wall and go in there there's nothing in there how disappointing to have this hype and be like kidding

i think that was my selection as well for the uh whatever episode that was i think was it the true crime episode that we had that was it might have been yeah if you'll go back you'll find that it was joe finley's pick actually oh was it yes oh okay all right was it no you weren't on the true crime show oh yes you were on the true crime show i've been on that episode i've been in a lot of episodes now yeah she's starting to look back and i'm like oh man maybe you guys are going to get sick of me you know what's really cool though that i've noticed um if you do this show a lot you're an excellent judge joe knows how to break it down and he knows what to look at i like it oh thank you i like it i'm not paying i'm not i'm not pandering i you all should be that's the problem i'm very susceptible to that well you were because you were giving them a little [ __ ] there by saying like you weren't on that [ __ ] that wasn't your pick that was mine oh wait a minute he's the judge tonight i saw it switch right there man crush i saw it switch way to butter your what a way to butter your toast i butter my rolls all right well let's see if judge joe finley likes my pick for the television round here because the biggest thing on television april of 1977 was a six and a half hour two part television miniseries that began on april 3rd and ended on april 10th just in time for easter nominated for two prime time emmy awards and starring christopher plummer ian mcshane ernest borgnine and the sexy anne bancroft as mary magdalene i present to you the television event jesus of nazareth the first half of franco zefferini's television film on the life of jesus christ it swapped all competing programs on sunday night according to the nielsen overnight ratings for new york and los angeles the telecast which covered most of the prime time period on nbc drew a 46 share of the audience in new york and a 53 percent share in los angeles on the basis of those ratings the nbc research predicts a total audience of 90 million viewers for the entire presentation now side note the u.s population in 1977 was only 220 million and this program garnered 90 million of that now the director originally considered dustin hoffman an al pacino for the role of jesus uh but settled on robert powell who looks so much like jesus in pictures that the crew actually refused to use foul language around him beginning before the nativity and extending throughout the crucifixion and resurrection the miniseries brings to life together all the sweeping drama in the life of jesus as told by the gospel spoilers he dies in the end it's jesus of nazareth april 1977. did they uh nail robert powell's of the cross at the end of the question

and how many how many of those 90 million people actually stayed awake for the entire thing there was nobody had higher ratings with pacino yeah yeah i can't i don't i'm trying to picture that screen test like what do we got here we're like uh what do we got what do we got what do we got we got some romans we got some romans ah this is gonna be my last a supper all right man crush let's hear what you do

all right man crush let's hear what you have for the television round oh man i could not be any different than both of your selections all right so let's go april 6 1993 and it's not very often that we ever get to select something from a basic cable channel actually i'm not sure sports channel was that basic cable or premium cable in 93 i'm i'm pretty sure i think it's going on i think it started on basic and then moved to premium yeah because i think um i don't know it was right around the time i had the black box but we used to watch our if the mets games weren't on wpix they were on sports channel and we got it so i'm not really sure um anywho uh this show it was launched on a tuesday night at 6 00 p.m on a regional philadelphia feed for sports channel america this is a pretty deep cut i mean not on a major network not a national feed and on before prime time so it sounds like this has the makings to be a real gem uh such a deep guy i mean newspapers.com the tv listings from 1993 didn't even show the correct name of the show i'll take that back it's correct but it's not the name that we knew it as i'm always looking for wrestling we look at tv listings again like we mentioned last week usually every night except for tonight we do uh our tv listings on facebook uh where we go back we pick a selection in time and we put you know six different programs and let people see what was on television and i'm always looking for wrestling when we do those and if you want to check that out www.facebook.com uh www.facebook.com forward slash duelingdecades there's almost 80 000 people on there now it's uh it's blowing up so go and check that out but i'm sure wrestling fans know this but maybe some others don't so prior to extreme championship wrestling the name of the company was actually eastern championship wrestling and in the early days before paul heyman and before pauline took over or paulie dangerously whatever you want to call him ecw owner it was todd gordon he had the late hot stuff eddie gilbert was uh he was running the show and he was doing all the booking so technically the name eastern championship wrestling is the correct name in the tv listings for what i found about a year later that's they switched the name over to ecw in the newspapers they dropped the full name and it pretty much stuck all the way up to late 1999 when ecw they were picked up on tnn and they were called ecw hardcore tv but this particular show right here it would end up running for 401 episodes and it stayed on the air all the way up until december 31st 2000 of course then they were bought out by wwe or wwf at the time still in 2001 but even though this show it was fairly regional at the time it's super important to the wrestling landscape we've talked about this on previous episodes wrestling in the early part of the 90s was honestly pretty shitty as a whole i think we just talked about this a couple weeks ago it was kind of like no man's land in the early 90s it wasn't great it wasn't super bad but it was like kind of in the middle nobody like some people watched some people didn't you had wcw they just ended things with jim crockett promotions so they weren't an nwa spot anymore and the wwf they had a few bright spots except for the fact that they were regurgitating like all these 80s wrestling personas that just didn't really inspire new viewers so ecw comes along and they completely change the game this right here this was the attitude era before the attitude error and honestly i believe this if you don't have ecw on television you don't get the attitude era there i mean there's tons of examples that i could toss out about this but i'll leave you with one and i was thinking about this earlier so in 1995 wcw they fire steve austin austin stops by ecw for a cup of teas there for basically i don't know like six eight months in austin he's still dealing with a knee injury so he has nothing to do in the beginning so he just has time to develop his craft so paul heyman he tutors him in the art of cutting a promo so he's there just cutting these insane promos as he had never done before mark's the wcw guy was he cutting any of these promos in wcw not even close not even close no and he basically develops like this whole stone cold persona during that like six to eight month period while he's in ecw he doesn't call himself stone cold but it's he's building it right there this is this is the foundation for that whole thing so i look at it like this without ecw on television do you get stone cold steve austin and if you don't get stone cold steve austin do you get the attitude era if you don't get the like do you have the monday night wars i mean this is something to ponder if you don't have this ecw television show what happens to the whole landscape of wrestling during that decade yeah well you bring up steve austin you got to bring up brian pillman as well oh yeah brian hillman did this similar thing he went to ecw ecw and totally revamped his whole character and became you know that wild man that we saw later on sure i went for the low-hanging fruit here and a side note i saw his son at the airport when i was in jacksonville uh last month cool guy uh but any event this is the debut of uh ecw on television february or february april 6 1993 wow all right joe finley let's kick it up to you for the ruling on the television round wow another good one guys um the enormity of the audience for the jesus of nazareth thing can't be uh ignored but it's one of those things to it's like i always kind of minimize it in the 70s because it's like how much did it really have to compete with uh you know it was either that or chain smoking uh so so i heard you did a lot of both so yeah

i really liked jesus of nazareth it was really good um so that yeah so i mean that one's that uh ecw oh man this is like my choice between these two is tough uh ecw is again it's exactly what you said man crush the uh the amount of people who wouldn't have existed in the way that we know them uh it all comes through there and i've seen some great documentaries on ecw and how they struggled and how uh a lot of people had you know went through there and you know earned their chops one way or another through there and then going to wcw then wwe or any cyclical way but it all filters through ecw to make them better uh there was a certain raw aspect of it no pun intended with wwe but uh but yeah and the people like uh rob van damme and all these people i don't think that them as they were would have even had a spot in the other shows at that time despite their skill because they were too it was two outside of their box and then it was they realized they had to change their box to kind of catch up to what these guys were doing and like you said hence the uh attitude era is born uh now i mean a million reasons why i like to pick for uh the geraldo one because yes indeed that was a pick of mine and if it's good enough for me then it should be good enough for me now right i think it has a broader uh frame of reference for people i mean you know the simpsons sang about nothing in al capone's vault nobody ever mentioned the debut of wcw or ecw uh so i just by this much i mean just a teeny tiny tug of war the rope is just over the side uh for geraldo in this one can you imagine the 90s without the attitude era what are you talking about a lot of people could imagine the 90s without wrestling though can you imagine television today which is all faux journalism without geraldo's capone fault well or all those still there i know that's right it's all that was the beginning of sensationalism that was supposed to be a news story yeah usually you get fired after uh giving away military secrets live on the air but not this guy everybody got punched by uh kkk members and broke his nose yeah there was a chair he got the chair oh his chair

getting his nose broken was the best thing on air it ever happened to him oh absolutely ever happened he he's the original social media kind of guy that and learned how to play it yeah well and it was probably the biggest thing to happen to the genre of tabloid tv does jerry springer exist without that or boot camp sally jesse raphael hey sally was awesome so sal they were i mean they all have their place but it's just you know as it developed everybody kind of started doing the same thing it was all pregnancy donahue tried donahue tried to do it right yeah yeah and then oprah came in and did it right but better and more you know uh attractive to a bigger audience which was actually your daytime audience and so those two kind of battled and then she crushed him so they had to but that was legit stuff those were real like the other the other channels had to go the other way i think andre should lose a point there for not bringing up ricky lake that was much later i'm in the 80s you have 90s oh yeah but come on it's ricky lake bro come on oh my god all right all right andre you picked up two points in that round you jump out to the lead heading into the final round the news round now you have the opportunity to start off here or defer to one of us i defer all right he's playing the game all right all right guys well i'll start off the news round and uh my news story i found tucked away on page 23 of the daily news in new york april 26 1977 a building that last functioned as a television studio in 1973 for love of life we'll find new life tonight as a discotheque does the city need a new discotheque the trio of owners steve rubell ian schrager and jack duchy think so there's been a lull rubell explained uh the last one to open was rajines and that fashionable dance spot opened a year ago actually the day that rubell made that statement yet one more discotheque opened sybil's in the new york hilton anyway get ready for studio 54 a former cbs studio known as studio 52 the previous name sees seems a bit odd for the location 254th west 54th street but the networks numbered its studios in the order that they came into existence so we're taking the venture to broadway rubell said even though a lot of people advised us against it the project is being approached from a theatrical standpoint with lighting and scenery by jules fisher and paul morance they have devised a variety of effects according to rubell such as occasional snowstorms a volcano a solar system and a wind machine but you know not one that's strong enough to whip the dancers off the floor the general design and seating fixtures are done by ron dool the designer of the fashion plate wpa restaurant in soho now the cost for all of those renovations for opening night was about four hundred thousand dollars in 1977. so today that's about 1.7 million dollars uh this the new disco tech actually did pretty well its first year in business uh rubell was quoted and saying in city newspapers that studio 54 had made seven million dollars its first year and that only the mafia had made more money this though unfortunately got the attention of the irs and shortly after that the nightclub was raided and rubell and schrager were arrested for skimming two and a half million dollars studio 54 closed with a final party on the night of february 2nd to the 3rd of 1980 which i believe was a former pick on the show of mine that's what i got for the news round the opening of studio 54 april 26 1977. wow i didn't realize that so it was only open like two and a half years huh yeah well that was the initial run it did open up again after but it wasn't even close to being the same yeah i went to the one in vegas lame there was nobody was doing blow there was nobody was no naked people running around uh you obviously didn't go to the right part i've been to that studio that's where i hung out with carrot top and got hammered with carrot top at studio 54. i solved and i saw the go-go's at studio 54. got and there was people doing coke and getting all sweaty and naked oh i didn't need coke i didn't eat coke i just got sweaty and naked anyway he didn't need coke he had carrot top that's right i was having a salad it was fine i renewed my vows in vegas in june so there was plenty of sweaty and naked going on i got married in vegas what's that pandering to the judge right there the luxor i've got you beat i did as well at the little church of the west where britney spears got married oh wow drive-through no walk-in walking oh walking all right did you get the calendar did you get the pictures oh no we no we got package b which is a little cheaper

yeah my wedding my wedding vow renewal we did right in front of the welcome to the las vegas sign yeah we actually had nice we actually held everybody up and there was a minister service that would go anywhere you wanted so we had him go there and there was an elvis there and we took pictures of them i'll send you some solid that's great now that you know now have you been lately there's a whole like parking lot and everything there so people aren't crossing the street to get to that site it's what a better idea too many people got hit by cars so they built like a thing much much better much better all right man crush what did you bring for the news round all right let's go to uh april 26 1993 and as i mentioned previously this is my second go around with april of 1993. uh like i said earlier no repeats there was plenty to choose from this month so before i may get accused of bypassing a huge news story please go back and check out the last time i had april of 1993. i won't tell you what that pick was but i will say it's something that joe finley would typically bring to a news round so if you want death and despair go and find that episode wherever podcasts are found better yet head over to duelingdecades.sound where you can use their transcription service and you can search whatever you'd like uh whether that pick or anything else that we said it's all on there it's actually pretty cool dueling decades at sounded at fm anyway here's a story that i found entitled no no not barbarian by bob langford and i quote he says uh say it over and over late night with conan o'brien late night with conan o'brien nope just doesn't sound right does it for the record conan o'brien was the editor of the harvard lampoon he wrote for his new boss lorne michaels on saturday night live for the past two years he's been a writer on the simpsons uh last week nbc sent a fax to its affiliates and that looked as if gary shandling would be the new host of late night but chandling and the network couldn't get together on when he could start letterman leaves nbc in june and he takes over at 11 30 at cbs on august 23rd so nbc wanted shandling in place by then but he's busy till then and he might be doing the best show on television hbo's larry sanders show shandling offered to start in september but abc but nbc said no and now the network and everyone else are stuck with conan o'brien when the news announcement was made cbs was popping champagne corks you don't think this is fodder for dave's nbc jokes for the next two months if these were baseball cards no six-year-old in the country would trade letterman for o'brien straight up o'brien's resume means he must be successful and a funny guy none of it means he ought to be the host of late night as you imagine nbc affiliates are perplexed to put it mildly wrdc's vicky streets sums it up by saying who the hell is he this came out of nowhere i'm sitting here stunned well let me tell you [ __ ] bob and what's her name vicky street who i've never heard of yeah it only lasted 16 seasons in 2725 episode and brought us some of the funniest [ __ ] late night programming has ever had look at the network late night shows they've been dog [ __ ] since conan he was erroneously removed from the tonight show fallon he was all right for a while now he's mad colbert is a dumpster fire seth meyers is ass crap corden man and kimmel's a turd i mean when conan leaves tbs for good next june late night shows are dead he is the last of the mohigans when it comes to late night shows triumph the insult dog uh he says [ __ ] off bob i'm gonna leave that with you uh it's it's the announcement of late night with conan o'brien i mean talk about timing though had chandling been able to take over the show can you imagine how the landscape would have been we might not even have gotten conan yeah i don't know i don't think shandling would have fared too well i mean it was late night but i mean he was better at mocking late night oh god conan is [ __ ] incredible he stuck with the right show he stuck with larry larry sanders instead of going to late night is much more successful um all right so this is news uh boy we had the opening of studio 54 which was uh you know iconic uh monumental um and then entertainment based again with conan o'brien uh it's interesting uh those are both big news things uh my the obvious big news thing that happened in april of 86 would have should have been and would have been the return of halley's comment which you know only comes around what every 75 years or so uh that would have been a cool you know like we freak out over eclipses and i mean this is even you know this is in cooler this is a huge astronomical event and that should have been like the highlight news event of april you know everybody likes april it's spring everybody's going out they're wearing shorts birds are chirping until the april 26th of 1986 which ended up with uh and honestly your opening of studio 54 that was a worldwide type of thing but basically it was a new york thing the conan o'brien thing on tv it's basically a us-based kind of media empire you know kind of slugfest uh this was a little different type of event uh this was the chernobyl nuclear reactor meltdown

uh has a little bigger impact than those two things in in my opinion right now joe's alley just uh you know and it couldn't have come in any better time uh basically it's 86 height of the cold war we're all cold war kids it's reagan versus everybody and it's uh you know g.i joe versus cobra and it's arnold schwarzenegger and stallone against all of the bad russians and all of their proxies uh but uh you know chernobyl you know was a crappy nuclear reactor side to ukraine um it occurred on saturday uh april 26th at the number four reactor of the chernobyl nuclear power plant uh it's considered the worst nuclear disaster in the history of the world both in terms of cost and casualties and is one of only two nuclear energy accidents rated at a seven which happens to be the maximum severity number on the international nuclear event scale the other being the 2011 fukushima daiichi nuclear disaster in japan which you know that was a nuclear disaster because of an earthquake and a tsunami so there was three things that had to happen for fukushima to fook it up and um chernobyl was just bad stolen russian tech run by people that probably shouldn't have been running it and um the the the irony let's you know nay the humor of chernobyl accident uh it was started uh during a safety test oh god so let's just say don't run any safety tests because uh you're not safe um but it was crazy because i remember the news coverage of this we thought the world was you know this is kind of like i said height of cold war we thought you know we watch the morning after we watch all the drill like this is coming out of it but we're still there like we could all be gone literally in the blink of an eye uh you know stallone's not gonna save you you know reagan's gonna be in a bunker somewhere uh you know and we're all literally toast um but uh you know huge cold war this and i'm a huge cold war kind of you know i'm not a buff but i'm sort of an enthusiast you know if you will uh you know love the history like the movies love the you know the the espionage and the intelligence service and the geopolitics yeah like posters and [ __ ] uh no i just have all the books that's right it's just absolutely phenomenal of what and by the way it's still going on uh we've just actually reverted back they've reverted back to 70s and 80s workbooks coming out of moscow now uh and you know who knows like hopefully this was you know just a safety check you know boo boo that you know didn't work very well uh but it it became the biggest news thing for a long time i mean is this on the tv was scary as [ __ ] was the cloud going to come this way which way was the wind blowing um and ironically at the time uh fewer than a hundred people died because of the accident um and then very there's varying estimates of how many you know dozens or whatever for you know exposure and after that uh but according to the stats the damage control and the cleanup estimated over a half a million personnel worked on cleaning this thing up uh and of course they're probably all dead and the s of course there's no hard numbers and estimates because we're relying on russian stats or russian media which you're never gonna get that number and it's probably three million people died from this thing and uh you know but there's no you know confirmations of anything of course coming uh you know coming out of coming out of the kremlin uh just like nothing changes you know from you know 1916 on it's been 105 years of exactly the same stuff uh and we're still battling the same proxy wars and playing the cyber game and man you know what uh what what a different world that would have been uh if you know patton had gotten his way

uh and i'm not trying to be mr rah-rah go usa but you know [ __ ] that ra rocco usa when it comes to the cold war right we came we came out on top um and uh but so there's not really much to say like i said there's not many stats it just dominated the news worldwide for a long period of time uh and 30 years later uh they have a huge you know series on uh you know on on on premium services now so uh it still has a lasting effect yeah we had documentaries of studio 54 and conan o'brien is yeah now on tbs so those things still have lasting power uh chernobyl was a ground shaker and i but you know it's funny in comparison i'm not sure what killed more people chernobyl or studio 54. so i don't really know neither i'll leave that i'll leave the impact of the news story up to our uh esteemed judge yeah conan comes up clean on that one for the murders yeah thank god that we never ever watch the uh the youtube it's not like a youtube series or anything but there's a lot of youtubers i don't know if they're russian or whatever but they go back there like they go through the uh the restricted areas yeah and they go into the housing units and [ __ ] it's [ __ ] weird it's very eerie so crazy pretty crazy [ __ ] all we have is centralia pennsylvania they've got chernobyl to walk through stuff like that yeah that's the one with like uh flames coming through the streets and [ __ ] right yeah that's the one where there's a coal fire in a coal mine in the 70s and then they had you evacuate the town never stopped because the toxic and the fire still burning it's awesome all right let's kick it down to you for the final ruling on this game oh man um right off the bat you give me that studio 54 and i'm like well this round's over i guess we got a spoiler and i was like studio 54 that's gigantic then i get hit with conan and i'm like oh it's gonna be so much harder i you know no hyperbole conan is my all-time comedy hero i would say the two people when i look back who shaped me for my love of comedy over from childhood to adolescence would have been steve martin and conan o'brien and those are the two that's it where does the uh the masturbating bear fit in to that what uh he taught me a lot of things i was right around uh it was right around that time when the uh get a grip album came down i don't want to get too deep into it um but that's why it's called get a grip precisely uh and i mean it was right there i had to take it no absolutely i love that but the conan's impact it's exactly what you said like uh you know the late night wars between leno and letterman were their own thing letterman has his own impact uh to me conan was as per in a personality what carson used to be but then all these other people just diluted the pool and he was so funny and continued to innovate and when he moved to tbs i actually saw his live show when he was between tonight's show and um the tbs show i had i saw him live in toronto and it was just an outstanding live show and he just you know doing what he can to kind of keep his people working and keep himself from going insane and you can watch his documentary uh conan o'brien can't stop uh for all the kind of stuff on that and then he continued to innovate he's like you know what we're taking this hour down to a half hour we're gonna cut out all the fat have a sketch have a guess get out and then he took on the podcast game and present company excluded he's got probably one of the best podcasts going so um i i can't say enough about him and then andre of course you bring up chernobyl which i i there is no bigger news story there's no questioning that between the three um i actually covered i had a news story that covered a little bit of chernobyl one time but it wasn't the actual happening of it it was something kind of on the back end that i just got to sneak in um but i'm always bringing the bad news but it's so hard because any like if i pick any of these i feels like i'm spitting in the face of the significance of the other two and they're all so huge

mark's already out of the game so no i know i know my chernobyl that accident helped end the cold one like it you know it changed the world it helped bring down the soviet union so did conan

conan put it down forever uh i'm i'm canadian i live a cold war every year i'm doing fine um oh it's so hard my heart's telling me to go with conan i know it's it's nuts but that's what my heart tells me in my and my heart tells me that and it tells me you're gonna die soon so i i believe it when it comes to something all right man crush you pick up two points in that round you steal the lead away from andre and you win this game fart gun

never brought that out in a while that was a that was a close one i i didn't know where joe was gonna go because usually joe goes with the uh the really negative impact stuff so as soon as you said chernobyl like you mean like the actual news yes yeah okay yeah see it like that that there's yeah i mean there's when you look at this game and mark and i talk about this all the time we try to keep it light and there's so much [ __ ] that goes on in the regular news all the time that i personally don't like to bring anything that's too shitty because just turn on tv and you'll see shitty stuff all day you know so i try to stay away from that but like al capone's vault yeah that's funny [ __ ] though like it's such a bad thing that happened i'd rather watch a chernobyl disaster it's probably more interesting they were both empty rooms of dusty crumbling [ __ ] it's the same thing dude i am i'm super impressed how you came out on your first and i went i had i winged i just looked this stuff up yesterday and i winged it but i lived through it so it was cool yeah i mean that's the thing if you talk from the heart i think you could sell a lot more [ __ ] than the pick itself and i think you did that yeah and i went off on tangent stories about myself so that's always a win and do not get me wrong i mean this round or this game it was really down to the wire on a few of the choices and it's like tomorrow the score could be much different i just based on you know what what's hitting me that day and it's like but like there's no questioning how huge chernobyl was of a news story but there's different kinds of impact and i was just i don't know the pop culture impact and the fact that i like he hit me in the conan button which is a really really uh it's a it's a really really soft spot for me so uh no no explanation needed i'll just have to whip your ass next time man crush um the uh but i do want to know um what what would have been our tiebreakers all right so you want to my tie breaker in what category oh yeah yeah yeah it could be anything so um so mine was gonna be the movie the crush which is uh it's a movie with alicia silverstone once again which uh i just wanted i wanted to cement her in because in 1993 she just she kicked it off but she never stopped uh during 93-94 she was huge uh but she came out the movie the crush was her big screen debut where she plays a 14 year old psychopath um she was actually 16 at the time when she did the movie but uh who tries to ruin her neighbor's life after he refuses to have sex with her but the interesting part of this whole thing with the movie is that alan shapiro who's the writer and director of this it was based on a true story that he went through and then he got sued after the movie came out because he named alicia silverstone darien in the original movie who happens to be the girl the story was about throwing subsequent releases uh like the dvd and on television they actually changed her name to adrian but if you uh if you look at the movie uh there's notes that she writes to i think his name was nick in the movie he was carrie always she writes a nose to him and her initials are still the same it's still uh whatever you use the real name i don't know ballsy that's asking for a loss yeah what was yours what were you gonna bring for your uh your action i i i think it might have depended on gamesmanship of if i went first or last it's in music and i'm not sure if i would have picked an album no i think what i had to go with a single because there was two singles that came out but bob seger and the silver bullet band released like a rock yeah great track which and the album you know which just became iconic more than just a cool single and i'm i'm a big bob secret fan so that just stops at me but i think and here's the problem the but there was a bigger single that impacted with kiss by prince in the revolution so kiss came out that month as a single that reached number 19 of the year in singles but robert palmer addicted to love came out and that was number 10 single of the year so i probably would have brought out robert palmer's addicted to love single release and plus it was another iconic mtv hit that man yeah i'll tell you you would have won with that or kiss

they're both fantastic uh well you don't know what my pick would have been for the wild card round mr joe friendly okay do you have one i i do i do my pick for the wild card round i actually had it's a little bit of a pandering to the judge but we'll go to april 7 77 uh that was the day the toronto blue jays were born and they began play at the very first game of the toronto blue jays on a snowy cold afternoon up in toronto oh that that that is pandering that's that is pandering um i think you might have actually won me over um oh damn it i i would say that kiss probably would have beat it addicted to love as much as i love it and as big as it was i feel like pandering could have squeaked it out but but there's no beating prince you could have just said hey prince you know took a selfie and left it on a subway floor and i'm like yes he wins anyway you absolutely killed it andre thank you you did a great job man oh this is this edition this was fun good good good uh that either gets me invited back or losing my email no dude you could come back whenever bro like uh like i said uh for everybody out there we we are bringing this to video uh hopefully i don't know how this one came out joe was uh producing this one while we were doing it maybe we will release this one if it came out good uh video wise you know as far as these episodes go i think you put in a lot of stuff and you put your personal stuff into it which we don't get a lot of because we're not connected we're not in hollywood we weren't on the same losses tom hanks and woody harrelson and [ __ ] like that so uh really great takes and i just wanted to ask you i saw um a little off topic but you're gonna be at mahoning next month i am i'm gonna be at the um hunting drive-in theater on april uh 16th and 17th yeah 16th and 17th uh they are doing an awesome two-night event double bill each night of um a movie called the monster squad and then uh following up the monster squad with uh you know this new documentary called wolfman's got nards so it's uh you know which i also have a little bit of uh you know attachment too yeah you have something to do with it yeah but uh that's gonna be awesome we were trying to do it last year you know lat the last fall and it didn't work out and it was sort of like you know height you know pinnacle of coffee time and yeah it would have been in october it would have been awesome but uh instead of ending their season we're sort of opening their season this time and uh you know those guys have been uh having some awesome events over the last couple years but especially this last year when drive-ins were the only kind of thing that people can enjoy safely and it's just really cool to get a chance to go i'm flying in for the two nights there's going to be like distance photos and there's going to be a ton of stuff to sign so you can bring your own stuff uh get it signed or they'll have stuff there for you for for for you to sign you can sign something if you want to but uh it's mostly gonna be me signing but um and uh you know it's gonna be really cool because uh i am a huge drive-in theater fan and where i grew up we used to have a lot of them right and you know as you can imagine like southern california you know built for the automobile and even in the valley you know we had the van nuys driving we had the winnetka drive-in and i love the drive-in theater i think it's such a big piece of uh of americana i think it's it's it's one of those like literally top five things when i think of americana uh it's the drive-in uh movie theater and there's not many around but this last year a lot of them got resurrected so it's a cool resurrection story but i used to go to the drive-in with my dad and that was you know and friends uh but it was really cool to go and i you know you remember those movies that you see at the drive-in and i remember i saw octopussy at the drive-in it was like the first for one of the first movies i saw at the drive-in and she got some [ __ ] at the drive and it was i was totally opposite i went for the wrong reason and uh you know bob seeger did a video to drive in you know so look at all how this is playing in right but you know i just remember seeing maude adams and and actually realizing what bond women meant and you know how how how just stunning and amazing you know they all are uh even you know even to this day um she was my favorite up until eva green yeah so good man uh and planning is great though yeah i'm looking forward it's gonna be a blast so you know if you know anybody you know throw them in the trunk and uh drive them over and uh no don't do that don't do that do it the right way at mahoning it's only it's a single screen it's the biggest screen in pennsylvania it's a fantastic place i go there every year it's like two hours i'll see if mike ranger wants to go the only thing is i hopefully it's not sold out because uh they've been selling out

they actually i think they're dropping uh kind of like the next just even mention of it tomorrow i made a little video for uh which is a friday and whenever this airs but um uh we haven't even they even really started marketing and they did their original push and they had a couple hundred tickets sold just off their uh you know on their open on that day of the announcement so hopefully it gets maxed out i think they're capping it at uh you know i don't know what they're gonna cap it at but uh yeah either show up day of or get you know please come because it's going to be fun it's going to be right don't don't come day of if you if you you might you might know you might you'll get turned away i do know one thing that they said they're doing is usually when they have guests they usually come about two hours ahead of time to start the signing line because sometimes the movies whatever the first one is will start playing while people are waiting for that uh but they they want me to come an hour earlier than that to start i guess they're anticipating huge crowds so i'll be signing for three hours until before the first movie starts so it's uh so we try to rip them out and get them there we'll have uh mini posters and some production stills and like i said if you've got uh your own poster or uh uh you know god forbid a teen magazine or you know something like that uh go ahead and bring it and and we'll get it signed for you know uh uh a nominal charge for it oh [ __ ] so it looks like there is still tickets i'm gonna buy mine right now because i seriously once that ad goes up they will be gone anything else coming up i know last time you were on we talked about uh you started planning the other documentary about the lady that was stealing kids and all that stuff are you still doing that or what you know that's on the list i'm just starting to um you know kind of you know everybody's kind of coming out of their groundhog hole you know to see if they see their own shadow or not and um yeah that's definitely something still on the list you know but that's such a niche project uh you know documentaries are huge right now like a lot of people like them they're hard sells though you know uh you know up front because you know there's you just have to find the right kind of interest um currently i just i just got um i just drove back from la i was i was in i was in town for a week working on a couple other development things with some new ideas and and and a friend of mine's clients uh you know he's a manager and and and access to you know kind of network people so i'm working on some tv concepts um but you know and then just working on uh you know you just don't know i mean it's kind of this thing i love that documentary project uh there's another documentary project that i like which happens to you know affected an old neighborhood of mine you know it's a big gas leak you know a couple years ago it was a huge thing um you know more uplifting you know type of things and um you know trafficking kids and like you know gas leaks at the natural gas plant and um uh you know and then some some crazy tv projects but um there's you just never know what's going to pop up so you got to have like five six or 15 things you know swirling around because you never know you have a meeting or a phone call and someone goes i like that true true well it sounds like you got a lot of [ __ ] going on but hopefully uh see you next month and uh dude come back on here whenever because contestant judge whatever you want to do i think you got both sides covered i think we were all super happy with how this went because it was the first time we did it because we're always nervous about like all right who's going to come on to be a contestant it is a tough thing to do it is gotta find this it is absolutely a tough thing to do because you you got like i was even intimidated coming in and while we were going because you guys come in you know you find these great articles and you give up you know you give a lot of the backstory and the and the stats and you know you try to write down you know the highlights and then you're like what am i going to fill that with you know there's so much more you know there's so much more kind of background information but uh i tried to hold my own i tried to hold my own you did fantastic you got it right to the end

that's weird thanks again andre but unfortunately we're gonna have to end this episode right here but don't worry if you've missed an episode you can always head back to our website that's duelingdecades.com where you can subscribe to the show on itunes on spotify really everywhere podcasts are available and then like man crush said earlier head on over to our facebook page facebook.com forward slash duelingdecades where you can join our private group and share some of your very own retro memories so until next time duelers we're going to bid you a peace love light and a joy have a grateful week everyone

Andre Gower

Actor, Director